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Michigan trolls like to pretend that the LSAT doesn't matter there.

Hmm, ok. Can you cite three examples for us?

Just cite two. I admit to pretending the LSAT doesn't matter here.

I obviously overstated this point a little.  I'm sure even the most ardent Michigan trolls will acknowledge that the LSAT is a factor.  But there seems to be a repeated insistence that (1) LSAT is a bad measure, (2) somehow it is all that matters to other schools, and (3) Michigan is the only one above using it.

As I said, I admit I overstated the point, but there are a few examples of posts in this thread that imply that Michigan is doesn't "worship the LSAT like all the other schools," or only cares about how "interesting" you are, or just recognizes that those with high LSAT scores have no more to offer "just a pathetic number."

Yield protection is what the high numbers folks cry when they get rejected. They are so used to these other pathetic schools in love with their one-day LSAT score they don't know what to do when a school wants more than just a pathetic number....

The problem is not Michigan but all the schools that actually do worship the Numbers only fools that think they are entitled to everything. The reason you didn't get in is because you have little to offer beyond a score and that can easily come across in a poorly written essay or no essay at all (you don't write one b/c you have no clue how to sell youself beyond a score.

If you look at the pdf of the application from Michigan's website (which most people probably don't), you will see many help points that talk about how they would love for you to tell more about what makes you interesting.  Being well rounded and well qualified doesn't necessarily make you interesting.


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Law School Applications / Re: Working During 1L at a T14
« on: February 28, 2008, 03:30:28 PM »
The top firms have much larger pay increases and bonuses. By the 8th year, the difference could be over 100k per year.

For the most part, this is not true.  Within a single legal market, almost all the biglaw firms pay the same to all associates in the same "class year."  The increases and bonuses are identical.

That said, there are some exceptions.  Wachtell pays exceptionally large bonuses.  S&C gave out exceptional, one-time-only, unexpected bonuses to senior associates.  And, of course, there are HUGE differents in how much partners at the different firms take home.  But most people won't stay on to be a partner even if they could.  And most people, even those at the top of their class, don't work at Wachtell.

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Don't most schools base their fee waivers on mostly numbers?  Michigan also gave a bunch of fee waivers to people who inquired about them.  I would think that the specific interest in Michigan was at least one strong factor in whether those requests were granted.  Of course Michigan is not Xanadu (Xanadu wishes it were that cool), but it is certainly closer to the way it is portrayed by its supporters than you are making it out to be.

Yes, most schools base their fee waivers mostly on numbers.  All I'm saying is that Michigan gives just as much attention to the LSAT as any other school.  After all, you don't get a student body with an average LSAT near the 90th percentile without seriously trying to.

I don't know what you think I'm portraying Michigan to be.  I haven't said anything bad about it at all.  In fact, I think it is a great school.  I know people who went there and love it.  All I have tried to convey is that it is, as you say, no Xanadu.  Michigan trolls like to pretend that the LSAT doesn't matter there.  That's not true.  UMich looks closely at LSAT scores, although they make it a point to reject applicants who have high LSAT/GPA combinations but don't complete the optional essays. 

That doesn't make them this magical place where all the students are so much more interesting and creative than elsewhere.  All other schools look beyond the LSAT too, some much more so than Michigan.  Michigan is a great school--just like a lot of other places.

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Law School Applications / Re: Question about raising GPA
« on: February 28, 2008, 02:48:39 PM »
wait, i thought once u graduate it doesnt count?

Exactly.  I think t1 just misspoke.  Non-degree classes taken after you get a degree don't count.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: BC vs. Northeastern
« on: February 28, 2008, 02:43:43 PM »
NEU does surprisingly well for it's T3 status.  Co-op really helps this, as does their "no grading" policy IMHO.

But BU is ranked 20, and NU is 87 (I believe), so yeah, BU grads, are, in general, more highly regarded.

I know NEU does well for itself.  But that doesn't justify the assertion that BU "isn't even comparable" to it.  It's not even a matter of rankings or how well regarded it is, either.  I'm just curious as to what basis nubova has for saying BU is so terribly behind both BC and NEU.

No he said NEU was behind BU and BC... (which it is...)

Of course, you're right: I misunderstood.  My bad!  Yes, go BC over NEU. 

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Law School Applications / Re: 1L's - Advice re: Supplies, 0L Prep, etc
« on: February 28, 2008, 02:41:40 PM »
What's a good non-public gunner strategy? just office hours? any other stuff (networking at acs or fedsoc?)? being a review/journal rat even though you're not yet a member?

Well, keep your in-class remarks short and on-point.  Don't try to show off how much you know.  Don't race up to the podium at the end of class to share further remarks with your professor.  Don't brag about how smart you how, how well you get something, how much you study, how well you did on a test, etc.

If by "networking" you mean "make friends with cool classmates you relate to," then I say do it.  If you mean try to collect business cards, I wouldn't necessarily do that.  It's amazing how many connections you can have just from being good friends with a good number of your classmates.

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Law School Applications / Re: Question about raising GPA
« on: February 28, 2008, 01:54:41 PM »
If you take them before you officially graduate, then they will count.  If you take them after you graduate, they will count.  Do it if they count.

I think this is right, assuming that t1 meant to say they will NOT count if taken after graduation.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: BC vs. Northeastern
« on: February 28, 2008, 01:51:38 PM »
NEU does surprisingly well for it's T3 status.  Co-op really helps this, as does their "no grading" policy IMHO.

But BU is ranked 20, and NU is 87 (I believe), so yeah, BU grads, are, in general, more highly regarded.

I know NEU does well for itself.  But that doesn't justify the assertion that BU "isn't even comparable" to it.  It's not even a matter of rankings or how well regarded it is, either.  I'm just curious as to what basis nubova has for saying BU is so terribly behind both BC and NEU.

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I suppose your next argument will be that I am the exception that proves the rule?  ::)

No, you're not an exception at all.  I originally was referring to the school's practice of sending handwritten notes along with fee waivers to students with high LSAT scores.  You explained that you got a handwritten note on your acceptance letter.  That's not an exception.

Likewise, the fact that some people get fee waivers because of a very high GPA or diversity does not negate the fact that people with high LSAT scores are specifically targeted for them.  The fee waivers (and handwritten notes) aren't set out because of your outstanding character or creativity.  The only info they have is your LSAT, self-reported GPA, geographical area, undergraduate institution and major, and race/ethnicity.

It's really a tangential point.  I was simply trying to emphasize that UMich plays the LSAT game too.  I think UMich is a great school, and I really understand the pride that its fans have in it.  But it really is not as singular and magical as many of its fans make it out to be.

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Law School Applications / Re: 1L's - Advice re: Supplies, 0L Prep, etc
« on: February 28, 2008, 01:37:12 PM »
Is there a way to "gun" per se, albeit non-publicly? I figured visits to profs and deans during office hours and such would help...

I think there are many non-public gunners out there.  It's actually probably a wise strategy, although not one I ever followed.

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