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Law School Admissions / Re: CLS Regular Decision Support Thread
« on: May 01, 2008, 08:13:27 AM »
I still really love everything about CLS but I have been wondering about the differences in hiring prospects between the nyc law schools and slight lower ranked t14s (esp. considering the recent troubles that 1Ls have been facing in finding summer jobs.) Are the connections from an NYU/CLS considerable enough to turn down a slightly lower ranked t14 (Penn, Michigan, Chicago, etc.)?

Well, I think you are much, much, much more likely to get a great 1L summer job at CLS/NYU compared to the other schools you list.  As for 2L summer jobs and jobs after graduation, the vast majority at what you call the "slightly lower ranked t14s" should still be able to get a very good job without too much effort.  That said, I really do believe it is much easier at CLS (and also NYU).

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Columbia Law School Class of 2011
« on: March 26, 2008, 07:29:02 PM »
those of you who went to the March ASD: do you remember if there was anything important after 3 or 4 pm on Thursday?  I may have to leave early, and am wondering if I will miss anything major. 

There's nothing too important, although the closing reception is a fun chance to have a couple drinks and talk to students.  The admits are also invited to the "Bar Review" we have every Thursday night, which a lot of people went to.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: seat deposit at 2 schools?
« on: March 26, 2008, 07:24:18 PM »
It would be great if they would just adopt a standard date for notification and deposits.

A standard date for notification and deposits would not solve the problem.  It seems that most of the people who do multiple deposits are people who already have acceptances and have plenty of time to make a decision---they just are afraid to make a commitment so they put it off.  For example, it seems like the OP already has two offers in hand and has time to consider each of them, but nonetheless wants to put down two deposits to buy even more time.

Moreover, a standard notification date would have a limited effect.  Schools would still have to defer, waitlist, or hold applications.  Waitlist offers, obviously, couldn't go out until the regular offers had been accepted or rejected--i.e., after the standard deadline.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: seat deposit at 2 schools?
« on: March 26, 2008, 07:19:56 PM »
I'm putting down two deposits because I can't actually go visit one of them until after their first deposit deadline.  Not much I can do about it, but I honestly can't decide right now.

Did you try explaining the situation and asking for an extension first?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: seat deposit at 2 schools?
« on: March 26, 2008, 07:19:00 PM »
Is it unethical/illegal to send in seat deposits to two different schools, if only to buy more time on making the decision.  I realize that they are non-refundable, but if I can't make up my mind it is probably worth the few hundred bucks to have another month or two to decide.

Are there any other consequences from doing this?  Can a school take away your spot if they find out?  Do they care?

This is unethical and selfish.  Don't do it.  Do you really think your difficulty in deciding is going to magically disappear if you give it just a few more weeks?  What's your endgame here?  You need to think seriously about why you can't make up your mind now.  What is going to change between now and two months from now?  I realize this is a tough position and I sympathise with you.  Perhaps instead of cheating your way to more time, you can approach the schools and ask for an extension to the deadline.  Or maybe you just need to bite the bullet and make a decision.  If your on the fence about it, the odds are that neither school will be a bad choice.

Think of it this way:  You are lying to the school and making a contract with an intention to breach it.  I'd say that's wrong.  What makes it even more wrong is the burdens that you place on other people.  If you put down a seat deposit without any intention of going there, you're screwing over someone who really wants to go to the school and is sitting on the waitlist.  You're also adding tons of extra work for faculty and staff who would begin preparing for your arrival.

In terms of consequences, I'm not sure what would happen.  Schools could of course find out.  I'd hope that they'd deal seriously with something like this.  The legal profession should be open only to those with honesty and integrity.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Are scholarships negotiable?
« on: March 26, 2008, 07:14:07 PM »
Yes, scholarships are negotiable.  But don't act like they are.  I.e., be tactful.

For me, Harvard at full cost > CCNMVP for free.  It's close, though.

This seems pretty ridiculous.  Harvard would have to give me lots of money to woo me away from Columbia.  Is there anything other than the name that makes you so strongly pro-Harvard?

Black Law Students / Re: The Wire
« on: March 10, 2008, 11:07:31 AM »
Marlo - Columbia --> corporate focus, entrepreneurial strength, cold admissions policy

I wouldn't say that Columbia has a corporate focus or a cold admissions policy...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Top Law Schools bother me....
« on: March 10, 2008, 10:15:04 AM »
Every school publishes the 25%, 50%, and 75% UGPA and LSAT scores.  If you're curious about your odds, this will give you a very good indication.  Why do you need the grid?

As an applicant, I too wanted an easy box to tell me my odds.  But those grids really are incredibly deceptive.  It would be very easy for people who stand a chance at great school to be misled into not applying.  You just don't know what is going on behind the numbers.  The grids falsely lead you to think that soft factors don't matter.

They also contribute to an exagerated sense of importance given to just two factors in the admissions process.  The LSAT/GPA worship infects this entire process.  I favor anything that helps take the focus off of them for a bit.  The fact that some schools refuse to put every candidate in an LSAT/GPA box is okay with me!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Choosing a School with no Grades
« on: March 10, 2008, 10:03:10 AM »
As others have suggested:  At a well-regarded school, this isn't a problem and will probably help you.  Knowing that everyone at Yale and Boalt are relatively smart, employers and the like won't feel like they're taking a chance on a student with no grades.  But at a school that isn't well-regarded, employers who would normally take only the top ten percent might not take anyone, since they can't tell the 10% they're interested in from the 90% they're not.  Of course, it is also harder to transfer.

It depends on the school, but if it isn't a top school, I'd want grades.

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