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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 12, 2008, 02:38:46 PM »
Also, PILF has a summer employment fund of 4k. But, I hear it's pretty competitive to get since so many 1Ls apply for it knowing how unlikely it is to get a paying summer position at a private firm.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 12, 2008, 12:43:41 PM »
- What sort of LRAP program does BC offer?

Upon graduating and working in a public interest job paying 55k or less, BC will contribute anywhere from 1-7k for loan repayment, per year. After the first year, your salary can increase to 60k and you can still qualify.

- Do many students express an interest in public interest? Do many students go on to work in public interest?

Well a pretty sizable amount of students express at least some interest in public interest while at law school, but only about 6% actually go into working in the field upon graduation. But keep in mind there's a difference between public interest legal work, and public legal work (i.e. working for the government, which accounts for another 8-10% of grads).

- What programs, courses, professors, etc., at the school would be appealing for a public interest minded student?

The most vital program in public interest here at BC is PILF (Public Interest Legal Foundation), which you can use as a springboard to launch you into any and every type of public interest work you're interested in.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 11, 2008, 11:27:22 PM »
I agree. If you get your LSAT score back and it doesn't seem to avail you of any greater potential for acceptance at the school(s) you want to get into, you should consider taking some time off...if not to build up a stronger application, you can at least use the time to re-evaluate your career plans and life objectives.

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i was planning on doing a campus visit tour sometime in November, but now it looks like i won't be able to.  Is this going to give law schools a bad impression?  And if i actually do go, and sign up for a campus tour with the admissions office, will this give law schools a good impression??

thanks in advance for any advice

In my opinion, visiting a law school does absolutely nothing for you with respect to admissions. Seriously. The first time I even came to my law school was for orientation. Don't be *that* person who comes into the admissions office every other day to ask for status updates. It really is insulting to the admissions committee to assume they don't already know you want to attend to their law school--wanting to attend is the reason why you applied. If your heart and soul is truly invested in ONE particular school and you want them to know about it, write about it in your personal statement. I think visiting a law school is only necessary if you're trying to decide if it's right for you after you've been accepted.

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Law School Applications / Re: Crazy Transcript Question
« on: October 11, 2008, 02:25:30 PM »
He/She is crazy :) 

Send the transcript to LSAC and then once you pick your school come spring/summer you send that one school an official transcript (if you are finishing your bachelors you wait until your degree has been conferred). 



Kasm is completely correct. You only need to send one (official) transcript to the one school that has accepted you and you have decided to attend. This transcript must be sent directly from your undergrad to the law school you'll be attending, and it must have a notation that a BA was conferred to you. But here's an exception: If you're still in undergrad right now and do exceptionally well this fall semester and your GPA actually improves a bit, and LSAC already sent out your credentials to the schools you applied to, you should send an updated transcript directly to all the schools you applied to IF you think it would positively affect their consideration of your application. Hope this helps, good luck!!

You can also send just one updated transcript to LSAC and they will send an updated report to all of the schools where your app is still pending.

Personally, I would send an updated transcript to LSAC and STILL send the law schools I applied to the transcript directly from my college. Sending it to LSAC, having them enter it into their system, and then waiting on them to send it to the law schools you applied to may take a couple weeks or so longer than sending it directly from your undergrad to the law school. So if you think time is of the essence, and you only applied to several schools...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 11, 2008, 02:05:20 PM »
BC is my top choice. I'm afraid my GPA will hurt my chances. In other words, drank too much early in my college career and didn't care about grades. My overall GPA will be under the lower 25% of accepted GPAs however if the GPA from my most recent semester is closer to the 75% GPA average and I earn a low 160s LSAT, what do you think my chances would be?

If I wasn't admitted right away to BC but was admitted at another Boston area law school, would you suggesting working a year to build my resume or attending a lower tier school and transferring? How popular is transferring in law school in general?

Thank you

Ok, first don't completely rule out an acceptance. Admissions, to any school, depends on a variety of factors and it's hard to predict which way the admissions committees will decide. With that said, let's create a hypothetical. Say you have a 3.30 GPA and a 162 LSAT score. According to the LSAC GPA/LSAT calculator you have anywhere between about a 7%-14% chance of acceptance to BC. Quite low, but STILL don't rule it out. There are other factors that can push the likelihood of admissions in either direction drastically:

1. Which college is your GPA from? (The higher ranked your college, the more acceptable a lower GPA, in general)
2. How rigorous was your course load? (The more rigorous, the more acceptable a lower GPA)
3. How many people from your college apply to Boston College Law School? (The more people, the more competitive)
4. How does your GPA rank, percentage-wise, against other applicants from your college? (Check your "Academic Summary Report" on LSAC for this figure--the lower your percentage, the lower your chances)
5. Is there a significant upward trend in your GPA in your upperclassmen years? (The larger the scope of an upward trend, the more favorable the admissions committee will view a low GPA)
6. Are you an under-represented minority? (If so, write an essay in response to question #7 and the committee may overlook a shortcoming on your application if they see real potential in you)

As for transferring after your first year. Don't count on it. At all. Only like 6 or so transferees come to BC Law per year. Furthermore, by the time your first year ends, you probably will not even want to transfer. Why? Because if you get a high enough GPA to actually have a shot at transferring, your GPA will also render you first in line at your school for great job offers 2L year--so why transfer from that school? You should know that mostly everyone who transfers to another law school, don't do it merely because the other law is ranked higher, instead they transfer because they want to change the region where they intend to practice law.

Hope this info helps.

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Law School Applications / Re: Crazy Transcript Question
« on: October 11, 2008, 12:53:44 PM »
He/She is crazy :) 

Send the transcript to LSAC and then once you pick your school come spring/summer you send that one school an official transcript (if you are finishing your bachelors you wait until your degree has been conferred). 



Kasm is completely correct. You only need to send one (official) transcript to the one school that has accepted you and you have decided to attend. This transcript must be sent directly from your undergrad to the law school you'll be attending, and it must have a notation that a BA was conferred to you. But here's an exception: If you're still in undergrad right now and do exceptionally well this fall semester and your GPA actually improves a bit, and LSAC already sent out your credentials to the schools you applied to, you should send an updated transcript directly to all the schools you applied to IF you think it would positively affect their consideration of your application. Hope this helps, good luck!!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 10, 2008, 11:44:15 PM »
How do they already have a median starting salary for the entering class?

Schools just keep trying to game that number more and more.

If you look closely, now that I've modified the post, you will see a distinction between BC Law School as a whole for the 2008-2009 year, and the statistics for the entering class. The median salary would, of course, be based on salary quotes from the job positions accepted by the most recently graduating class working in the private sector. Also, I've heard from a 3L here that the economy has gotten so bad that some preliminary job positions have been rescinded--it shouldn't really be much of a problem for current 1L's and prospective 0L's though, assuming the economy gets better not worse within a couple years.

I've heard from a few 2Ls and 3Ls at FSU that they are having some problems finding work now as well, whereas a few years ago they all would have had jobs lined up.

I'm really not too worried about the economy personally. If it keeps up this way for another 2-3 years, it will probably be more important to know how to use a rifle/shotgun than how to file a motion to dismiss.

If the economy gets worse in 2-3 years, we can just shift our loan repayments to the U.S. government. If Wall Street businessmen can do it why can't we lawyers?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 10, 2008, 08:33:44 PM »
How do they already have a median starting salary for the entering class?

Schools just keep trying to game that number more and more.

If you look closely, now that I've modified the post, you will see a distinction between BC Law School as a whole for the 2008-2009 year, and the statistics for the entering class. The median salary would, of course, be based on salary quotes from the job positions accepted by the most recently graduating class working in the private sector. Also, I've heard from a 3L here that the economy has gotten so bad that some preliminary job positions have been rescinded--it shouldn't really be much of a problem for current 1L's and prospective 0L's though, assuming the economy gets better not worse within a couple years.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 08, 2008, 12:59:32 PM »
I'm admittedly not completely sure how BC Law deals with deferral requests, but I'm inclined to think they are granted on a case-by-case basis, which basically means you'll have to explain why you want to defer your admission. I don't know of any students who deferred, personally, so I can't attest to how the process works or how likely it is to be granted. You should ask the admissions committee if you can be deferred before you even apply, there's is no harm in it.

Why are you applying now rather than during the next cycle if you're sure you don't want to attend law school until 2010?

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Another case of deferrals is for those who apply early and are "deferred to regular admissions". I should say do NOT assume you will be rejected if you are not accepted during the early admissions process, but are rather "deferred to regular admissions". I would say you have a better chance of getting accepted through a "deferral to regular admissions" after the early process than being "waitlisted" after the regular admissions process. In fact, I applied to BC early but was deferred to regular admission and was accepted (I was accepted early on in the regular decision stage, which seems ironic because I was deferred in the early admission stage. But it was actually because my application wasn't completed by the early notification deadline thanks to my recommenders taking forever to send out my LORs).

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