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Minority Topics / Re: 3.6/167 Hispanic - Chances of Admission?
« on: November 06, 2008, 12:49:03 PM »
1. In regards to your question of whether to note Hispanic or Chicano--I think it would depend on the school you're applying to. Check out the ethnic data on LSAC for each school you apply to. See which ethnic group is less represented and go with that one. The distinction shouldn't matter much though. If you're applying to schools in California, definitely put "Hispanic."

2. In regards to re-taking the LSAT, if you've taken proctored tests and have scored at 167 or higher it seems reasonable of an expectation to score higher if taken again. But keep in mind that scoring 168 or 169 isn't going to make a huge impact, so really it comes down to if you're confident that you'll do so much better that you can crack 170--in which case you should retake it. Also, if a school is on the fence as to whether or not to accept you, and aside from your LSAT score you are a good candidate for them, sometimes they will actually contact you and ask you to re-take the test (the Feb. test). It's rare, but it happened to me.


3. I would say to get those applications out sooner than that. I cannot overstate the importance of applying early. Why is it taking you so long? Remember that you can submit your application and then send letters of recommendation and updated LSAT or updated GPA information subsequently. All you really need to send right now is your application form, personal statement (and diversity statement!), and your resume. Trust me, the early the better. If you're having problems with your PS, DS, or resume message me and I will help you with it.

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Minority Topics / Re: 3.6/167 Hispanic - Chances of Admission?
« on: November 02, 2008, 01:31:58 PM »
Of course you have a chance at the T14. Why wouldn't you? So apply to mostly all of the T14 schools, also consider some T14-T25 schools. That way you can shop around for the best offers. Don't apply early decision anywhere, once again, so you can shop around for the best offers. Also, just because you re-take the LSAT, you don't have to apply any later. You simply send out your applications now, and then LSAC will send them your updated LSAT score. In fact, you should already have sent out your applications. The earlier you apply the better. Last year, I sent out all my applications around 10/15. As for taking the LSAT again, only do so if you are fairly certain that a 167 doesn't accurately reflect your ability--are confident you can crack 170?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 26, 2008, 08:34:37 PM »
1. Entertainment law, I'm not so sure about BC's credentials in that field. Personally I would look into USC if that were really a quintessential legal interest you have. I would say BC is pretty solid in family law, we have a very experience faculty member in that field. International law is actually growing here at BC, we're presently trying to add an international law course to the 1L elective list.
2. BC has traditionally lacked minority students. But in the past few years there has been a rapid growth in minority enrollees. In the past couple of years it's jumped from like 22% to 25%. Also, BC Law has a variety of really active affinity groups that definitely go out of their way to make sure every student feels accepted into the BC Law community. I think more work needs to be done with respect to socio-economic minorities. From my own experience here, I can attest by saying you will feel extremely accepted.
3. BC accepts students from your college every year, so they know exactly how your system works, and make well-informed decisions as to who they select. With that said, BC is also known to be GPA-heavy in terms of admissions, which basically means every year the median GPA goes up and the bar gets set higher and higher, while the median LSAT stays about the same. If your GPA is below the the 25th percentile, i.e. below a 3.5, then ideally you would make up for it with an LSAT score above the 75th median.

Wow, BC is my top choice law school. In Boston, but, not the same urban campus as BU. I actually have a few questions:

1. What are the specialty fields? I'm thinking I either want to focus on entertainment law, family law or international.
2. What kind of people do you think attend BC. I'm sure a wide variety - but, are there any stereo types that could tell me something about how I would fit in?
3. Now the tricky part. I don't think I'll ever be accepted. I'm in my junior year at Case Western, and overall I only have a 3.0 and a 159 on the LSAT. However, this was mostly due to a bad fist semester. I've had a 3.2-3.4 since that first semester, and am probably going to continue to raise my GPA (I should get at least a 3.6 this semester). Also, Case doesn't give +/-'s, so, I'd probably have a 3.5 were it not for that. Although, I don't know if any school is going to take my word for it that I would have had B+'s if the school offered them. So, I'm guessing that won't help me at all. Is BC good at looking at all of these circumstances, or should I just start looking for another dream school?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 18, 2008, 06:00:09 PM »
Since there is a lot of talk about likelihood of admission on this thread, I'll just point out that BCLS wayyyy overshot the goal for incoming students this year, which will probably mean a significantly smaller incoming 1L class next year.  Usually we go for 270-280, meaning that next year could see a goal of 250-260, or maybe fewer now that the LLM program is up and running.  Not to scare you, though...  ;D

I heard one theory about this involved funding issues. Also, the minority population jumped up (both hard numbers and percentage-wise)...it's got to have something to do with it too.

But I actually don't see how the admissions committee can even control enrollment outcome that much? If the school accepted the same general amount of students as in past year, but a much higher percentage took up the offer, it's pretty much out of the control of the admissions committee. I imagine, they didn't accept any waitlisted students this year unless it was an actual goal to increase the 1L class so drastically 270->300.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Which Rutgers is better?
« on: October 16, 2008, 08:07:19 PM »
Camden, but really, neither. Both are in NJ.

Speaking of Rutgers Camden... they actually allow some people to get in by submitting GRE scores... crazy isn't it?

Just what you'd expect from a shithole in NJ, that's all.

Actually I respected them a lot for trying to reform the law school admissions process. They actually invited me to apply--which equals guaranteed acceptance I assume--because I got a really high GRE score, and they wanted to see if people with really GRE scores could do equally as well as students with high LSAT scores. I never took up their offer just because it was late in the season I was already accepted elsewhere. But give them some credit for trying to change the admissions process. How much bull is it when the LSAT counts more than your GPA, i.e. a 5 hour test is more indicative of your ability than 4 years of college?? Furthermore, the LSAT doesn't really mean anything in terms of predicting how well you will do during 1L--even though LSAC swears it does. Tons of 2Ls and 3Ls have reaffirmed this notion.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 16, 2008, 07:53:00 PM »
Also--TLS states that (for BC) applicants will benefit from crafting the PS with BC in mind, rather than sending out the same PS all the other law schools get. Did you all do this? Do you think it may actually be an advantage/would not doing it be a disadvantage?

I definitely don't live in student housing? And from what I know student housing is unnecessarily expensive, and placements are hard to come by any way. You're better off looking for places to rent in the Newton area. I got an amazing living situation right now, $650/month which includes an entire level of a house with all utilities, wireless internet, and FiOS TV already included in the $650. I share the house with another BC Law Student, and another Grad Student. I'm less than two miles from the school, and my neighborhood has plenty of nearby stores and restaurant as well as bus and train connections. I love it. I found the ad on Facebook. But there plenty of other ways to find housing such as by coming up to Boston College for the Grad Housing Fair, by searching Craig's list (which I don't really advocate because it's sketchy), and of course, by applying for Grad Housing through BC.

As for crafting a school specific PS--do that for every school you apply to!!! I don't mean to write an entirely different essay for each school, obviously, just devote a few unique sentences or a paragraph at most, stating why you want to go to that particular law school. It truly will give you a push up.

If you're an URM, write a DS, too!

Looking at our personal numbers will accomplish nothing, in fact it will mislead you. Either we'll have above the median numbers and you'll be misperceived into thinking you have less of a shot, or we'll have below the median numbers and you'll think you have a better shot than you really do. Just look at the median figures and note the trend: 164 LSAT, 3.64 GPA. The trends is that the LSAT median has been a 164 for years, while the GPA has consistently increased. It shows that BC is GPA-heavy. Furthermore, LSAC posts the chart of the numbers of all BC admitted students on the ABA guide. While it may be a year behind, it's still very accurate.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 15, 2008, 12:43:13 PM »
Boston College is a catholic university. Does this show in any way?

It's Jesuit by foundation--and the only substantive meaning of this from my experience is the type of environment it promotes. There are a few professors around with a Jesuit background who sometimes integrate issues of morality in teaching legal principles, which can be a huge asset because it really reminds law students of the higher philosophical underpinnings of morality and law. Also, for being a very highly ranked law school, I find the atmosphere to be incredibly cooperative, as opposed to cutthroat competitiveness that you find at other closely ranked schools. A lot of people find an attraction in a school that can guarantee you THE BEST job opportunities in the legal profession while not putting you through a dog-eat-dog environment during law school. It's pretty unique in that respect. I took a 1L law course (at T12 school) while an undergrad, and can personally attest to the difference in atmosphere. Everything from the way students behave toward each other, to the interpersonal relationships between students and faculty.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Which Rutgers is better?
« on: October 12, 2008, 02:54:28 PM »
Camden, but really, neither. Both are in NJ.

Speaking of Rutgers Camden... they actually allow some people to get in by submitting GRE scores... crazy isn't it?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 12, 2008, 02:50:28 PM »
I assumed each section had the same general due date, maybe I'm wrong. I was just told by 2Ls and 3Ls that writing the memo takes forever because every single word and detail matters a lot (grade-wise)...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Boston College 1L taking questions...
« on: October 12, 2008, 02:41:32 PM »
Actually, I have a question, PJH. Why are we on here instead of writing our OM2?  ;)

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