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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 08, 2005, 09:44:55 AM »
it's easier to just ban the dogs rather than weed out the responsible from the irrespnsible people.

The gov't has a mentality that that the drooling masses are too tupid to think for themselves, and sadly that is true for most of the population. Those of us like you who are responsible get caught in the middle. You have every right to be angry about it but is another mauled child a price your willing to pay to see if some pit owners can be responsible?


I do agree with this statement in some regards, however, 99% time you hear of a dog mauling the word "pit bull" comes up even if the dog was not a pit bull.  The San Francisco dog mauling is a perfect example.  Prior to the pits it was rots, shepards, and dobermans.  This has been an ongoing problem for years.  So governments banned shepards in some municipalities and people got rots.  Now the gheto thug gangbanger thought the cool dog to have was a rot so they all went out and got one.  Guess what?  Dog bite statistics involving rots skyrocketed.  So they banned rots.  These same ghetto thug gangbangers possibly caught wind of a pit bull attack.  So they all went out and got them and the same thing has happened pit bull bite statistics skyrocketed. With pits it did not stop there.  Every dog that bites someone now is a pit. I don't care if its a 8 pound poodle.  If it bit someone and broke skin it must have been a pit or at least a cross breed.

Regardless of what the government does the problem will always be there and children will get bit/attacked/mauled.  The only difference is that a different breed will be targeted.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 08, 2005, 09:10:11 AM »
Things are out of control because the criminal justice system does not care.  They can't be bothered investigating animal cruelty/dogfighting cases.  Its just not taken seriously.  Maybe when people start standing up for their rights, forcefully, will the government wake up.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 08, 2005, 09:07:23 AM »
Responsible pit bull owners did take the steps you mentioned with the exception of the monotoring group.  Unfortanetly, the system failed.  Who's fault is that?  Not the responsible pit bull owner but rather the criminal justice system/policy makers.  A perfect example, I was asked for input on a specfic case while I was employed in this field.  A couple owned a pit bull and it got loose and bit someone.  They were forced to relinquish their dog.  A year and a half later the same people had another pit bull and the pit bit someone.  Then it happened again.  A hearing was held and when my opinion was asked I stated that the problem is not with the dog but rather with the owners.  God only knows what these people are doing with these dogs.  Therefore, these people need to be held criminally responsible and prohibited from ever owning a pit bull again.  Needless to say this suggestion did not sit very well and I was told that "Your input is not realistic, these are just bad dogs."  That is the mentality of the system.  Why not address the root cause of the problem?  Because it makes sense.  I can almost gaurentee that this same couple will be in front of a board a couple of years from now in the same situation.  Why, because the only thing that happens is they are forced to relinquish their dogs.  Nothing else.  Meanwhile, these scumbags can go out and get another pit bull and do whatever they want to the poor dog.

Responsible pit bull owners openly opposed the ban and offered many suggestions similiar to what you have offered.  But the government refused to listen.  So what are we really left with?  Responsible pit bull owners whose dogs have been seized (illegally) and gangbangers, dogfighters, ghetto thug running around with these dogs.  They just went underground.  And when and if their dogs are seized they go out and get another.  Why?  because they don't care about the dog all they care about is "rep on the streets."  These people should die for what they are doing to these dogs.  When people continue to get bit by pits and the municipality can't figure out why refer them to this post.  All they did was target the innocent people while the scum of the earth continue to do what they do because they don't care.  Further, how many of these people register their dogs or have chips implanted on their body? Zero.  So when their dog escapes and bites someone that persons says oh well and goes and gets another one.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 08, 2005, 06:07:12 AM »
That's the problem but I chose to refrain from mentioning it when I first responded to avoid some heated racial battle.  Blacks, Hispanics, and gangbangers in low income areas think that the pit bull is some sort of status symbol.  This image is further reinforced by the latest (Insert Rappers Name Here) video.  These same people breed these dogs to be aggressive and use them in street fighting contests.  These people have no sense of responsibility so when the dog gets loose it causes havoc in the community.  Its not the dog's fault its the owner.  Now if I turned around and said that all (Insert Ethnic Group here) commits more crime and therefore should be euthanized then I would be branded a racist. The situation is no different here; pit bulls are victims of discrimination ("breedism").

I have worked extensively with pit bulls and they are the most loving and loyal dogs I have worked with.  With that said were there pits that I would not work with?  Absolutely.  When this situation is presented there is only one humane option.

How about all the pits you do not read about?  Ask investigators who were searching for Lacy Peterson's body who they called when the "traditional type" police dogs failed.

Ask the investigators at Ground Zero who they called when they searching for people following the September 11 tragedy.  They all called Kris Crawford from California and her 3 pits to perform search and rescue.  While other dogs could not walk along the remains of the Twin Towers because of how hot the steel was, Kris Crawford's dogs never quit.  When every other dog collapsed from exhaustion Kris Crawford's kept going.  That is their nature.  They want to please their owners and will not stop until they have accomplished the task.  It does not matter if they were up for 3 days or if their paws were raw and bloody.  They will not stop.  I wonder how many people would have not been found if not for Tahoe, Dakota, Cheyenne (Crawford's 3 pits)?

Unfortunately, these characteristics do not dissappear because some a-hole with a drug stash or some gangbanger wants to overrun the block.  The characteristics still remain and the intense desire to please one's owner is just as strong.  In the right hands and raised properly the pit is the most loving and loyal dog one can own.  It is the perfect family dog.  I know becuase I rehabilitated plenty of them and they were adopted to loving homes.

With all that said, should pits be outlawed? No.  Should stricter laws be pit in place for anyone who wants to own a pit? Yes, absolutely.  The responsible pit owner has no problem taking whatever steps are necessary to keep his/her dog safe.  They understand the pits nature and are ready to deal with it.

Lastly, pit bulls are not human aggressive by nature.  This is behavior that is learned.  So, the pit who bit Bit Tex's mother-in-laws finger off should be punished because this behavior was a result of an irresponsible owner who taught the dog to behave this way.

The Whipple dog mauling is a perfect example of how distorted the media and policy makers portray pits.  The only problem with that story was the dogs were not pits they were Presa Canario's (Canary Island Fighting Dogs).  These dogs are much larger than pits and range from 120 to 150 punds whereas Pits should weigh around 35 pounds.  These pits you see running through the ghetto are not "real pits."  They were breed to be large, powerful, and aggressive.  Watch animal planet's Winchester dog show and see what pits really look like: 35 pounds and and much smaller than the version created by the mindless ghetto thugs.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:47:17 PM »
for war breeds built. only know bite and michael moore they serve no purpose.


Studying for the LSAT / Re: Logic Games Bible study plan
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:26:58 PM »
I am doing the same thing TM and Bibles.  I am approaching it this way:  After class, I go through the corresponding chapter in the Bibles.  I then take some notes and combine my notes from TM with the Bibles.  Then I do the homework.  I am having some great success from this with the excpetion of Must be Ture Questions.  I just can not seem to grasp the concept.  Actually, the diagraming aspect of it.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:19:18 PM »
Watch this flash movie.  The girl did a wonderful job.  But be warned it is very graphic.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:17:14 PM »
i have a hard time watching animal planet when they raid those pit bull fighting houses.  the worst part is that the people who run them don't ever get jail time or anything usually. 

I actually use to do this type of work.  It really gets to you after a while and I ended up hating everyone.  Its really sad to witness some of this stuff.  I once seized a pit and her seven pups.  The house was full of sh*t and they were left without food.  The mother was actually eating paintballs.  It was disgusting.  The organization I worked for at the time was only called because the landlord could hear the puppies crying.  Luckily, all the pups were adopted.  Last I heard mom was still waiting for a home.  She's a really sweet dog.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:11:42 PM »

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Pit Bull Petition
« on: August 07, 2005, 08:11:17 PM »
so what do you do with a pit bull trained to be a fighting machine?

Unfortunately, there is not much you can do and no shelter would adopt one because of the liability involved.  These laws do not address the cause of the problem but rather only puts a bandaid on it.  Rather than go after the people responsible for training these dogs to fight, municipalities ban them altogether. Then what happens?  Ask the state of Maine.  When Massachusetts banned pits, Maine ACO's experinced a dramatic increase in the number of dead pit bulls with fight wounds as well as an increase in dog fighting.  Maine ACO's were pulling chewed up dogs out of rivers and dumpster one after the other.  All Massachusetts did was make the problem Maine's.  This still does not address the fact that people are getting away with this.  Now responsible dog owners have to pay the price because the criminal justice system and policy makers are inept when dealing with this problem.  Rather than go after the gang members and drug dealers (the people primarily responsible for this) they focus on the breed.

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