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Current Law Students / Re: Why buy casebooks?
« on: June 27, 2005, 04:17:16 PM »
Also, some schools don't give access to Lexis or Westlaw to 1Ls; at least at the start of the semester.  Sometimes they wait until you get the "official training" from the vendors.

Current Law Students / Re: Canned Briefs
« on: June 27, 2005, 04:06:34 PM »
Try Casenotes Legal Briefs at Barnes and Noble's website for contracts.

For Torts, you might try one keyed to another casebook if you really think you need one.  The major tort cases are in pretty much every casebook.

Current Law Students / Re: Part-time / Full-time
« on: June 20, 2005, 04:13:12 PM »
The key point is that "all things are equal."

Unfortunatley for many part-timers (myself included), all things are not equal.  Most part-timers are going part-time because they need their current full-time job to support themselves, and maybe their family, while going to school.  That means they can't take part-time legal related work during a semester or do an unpaid/low paying legal related job in 1L.  This can hurt in the 2L job search.  Or they may not be able to leave their full-time job for a 2L summer position.  It's not the part-time status that hurts you as much as the reasons you go part-time.

We part-timers may need to look longer and harder and be more creative in finding jobs after graduation.

If you have to break the binding and seperate all the pages of the book to copy or scan it, why bother to copy or scan it?  Just take the pages from the broken up book you need when you need them and mark them up, highlight, book brief, etc.  I doubt you will be able to resell it if it has been broken apart.

Current Law Students / Re: E&E versus Emmanuel Outlines...HELP
« on: June 10, 2005, 06:04:40 AM »
Just get the E&E's now.  They are written in a textbook style that is readable and have lots of practice questions and answers to get you into the mode of applying the law to the facts.  These are what you should be using if you are doing the summer prep.  And if money is short, just get one or two for now and work through them fto see if they are helpful.

The outlines are detailed; you might not even need them if you are good at taking notes and organizing what you learn during the semester.  And you might find you can do a good outline from the E&E books.  But if you need a commercial outline, you can get them during the semester when you really put together your professor/course specific outline.  You might even be able to find some in your school library or split the costs of them with study partners.

I agree with LawGirl, although for pure exam prep you could probably get away with using canned briefs, commercial outlines, and E&E books.

But I'd also add that you have to develop the skill of reading cases, finding the holding, understanding the reasoning, and determining which facts were relevant and which weren't to the holding.  These skills are essential when you have to research an issue (a question of law) using cases and write and support your postition in memos, court briefs, etc.  You probably won't write out a classroom style case brief for every case you look at during your research, but you will need to "mentally" brief cases you find to see if you can use them and what parts to use.  It's tough to develop those skills without going through the process of writing out briefs, at least at the beginning.

Once you are comfortable writing out briefs, you can book brief.  Book briefing is merely putting the information you would have put in a written brief in a summary form in the margins of the book and noting where the words in the textbook are, as opposed to writing them on a separate piece of paper.  You still need to read the case and find the relevant portions; the process is the same, but you document it for your reference in the book.

Canned briefs are OK in a pinch (i.e. you couldn't prepare for a class) or as a guide to check your written or book brief.  But I wouldn't rely on them exclusively very often.  Also, I've found sometimes they aren't quite correct, or leave out facts, etc. that your professor might think important.  Also, some professors know what is and isn't in them, so you can be asked about facts, etc. that are in the case but not in the brief.

Current Law Students / Re: LEEWs vs. Law Preview
« on: June 07, 2005, 02:23:38 PM »
Purchasing LEEWS is the best single investment you can make for law school.  Its approach (looking for conflicts, legal premises, the back and forth arguements, etc.) is a great way to think and approach exams and any other legal problem solving exercises (memos, etc.) you might encounter.

Just dive right in at the start. 

Delaney's book is written for prospective students, not for experienced ones. 

And LEEWS uses actual but simple, legal concepts which he explains such that it can be used and understood by students before beginning law school.  You might want to do LEEWS again midway through the semester, but I bet you get alot of out it now.

Current Law Students / Re: Gilbert and Emanuel--book specific?
« on: June 03, 2005, 10:59:10 AM »
If you are referring to the commercial outlines, no, they are not book specific.  They may include a table to help you match up the sections in the outline with the topics in certain casebooks, but you can also do that yourself by using your casebook table of contents if the casebook isn't specifically included in the outline book.

1 & 2.  Both depend on the amount of loans you take out, the salary you earn upon graduation, and other parts of your lifestyle.  Big loans coupled with a big salary and no mortgage are less of a problem than small loans coupled with a small salary and a mortgage.

3. Virtually impossible (and not allowed) if going full-time, very possible but difficult if going part-time (as I and others are doing.)

4. It depends.  Number of credits is really what you should care about, not number of courses.  Usually 15 credits per semester full-time, 10-12 credits per semester part-time.  Course can be anywhere from 2-5 credits depending on the course and school.

5.  No.  Except for WI (and only for graduates of WI schools) you have to take and pass the bar exam in the state you first want to practice in.  Most states allow you to be admitted to their bar "on motion" once you have a license in another state.  Some required a period of practice as well.  But you need to look at each state's requirments to be sure.

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