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Current Law Students / Re: Anyone make their own flashcards?
« on: October 26, 2005, 07:32:23 AM »
I do, especially for areas that you really need to memorize, such as elements, rules, tests, etc.

Making them yourself forces you to reveiw and summarize the information in terms your professor uses and you understand.  Also, you can make them for each chapter/section of the course as you go along, which makes the task less daunting.  I make them on large, 4"6" cards, which are easier to read as I study them while driving.  As I review them, I also think about information in the outline that I haven't included on the card that helps flesh out the topic.

Of course, they alone aren't enough.  Once you know the flashcards, the key is to be able to apply that knowledge to facts/hypos to do the analysis.  But I find them a great way to learn the R for an IRAC analysis.

Current Law Students / Re: reasearch and writing grade...
« on: October 25, 2005, 09:00:41 AM »
You should find out why you did poorly in relation to the rest of the group.  A B isn't a good grade when it puts you in the bottom third of the group.

If the problems were stylistic (i.e spelling, grammer, citations, etc.) then I wouldn't take it as a sign as to how you will do.  But you should work on improving those areas as the other posters have pointed out.

But if the problems were more substantive, such as not finding the correct law in the research materials or doing a poor analysis relating the law to the facts and drawing a conclusion from the analysis, I would take it as a sign of areas to improve on before you have to take your exams.  These skills are very much the ones you need in preparing for and writing your exams in the substantive classes.

Job Search / Re: Do 2L grades matter after getting a SA offer?
« on: October 25, 2005, 08:52:37 AM »
2L grades might be important if you don't get an offer from your 2L job, if you aren't sure you want to accept the  offer from your 2L job, if you want to apply for a clerkship after graduation, or if you think your overall grades and class rank might be important in changing jobs early in your career.

Good 2L grades won't hurt and will give you more options.  I wouldn't blow them off.

Transferring / Re: transfer & law review, OCI, etc
« on: October 19, 2005, 12:46:16 PM »
OCI probably would never be a problem, as you will be graduating from the school.

But you should inquire with the target schools about the law review in case grades are part of the equation or there are timing issues with the write-on.

if you want to brief, forget the retarded long form that law schools teach you and go with a condensed statement of the facts, the holding, and the rationale/rule.  (and dont do those stupid holdings that go something like "no, the lower court did not err by ____ where _____."  just get right to the substantive legal issue in question.)

i think everything else is worthlesss bs and a waste of your time.

I agree with this.  The facts, the holding, and the rational/reasoning/rule are all that really matters.  The only thing I would add is maybe the procedural posture.  Some of my professors trip people up by asking various questions.  I find it's often easiest to pull these from canned briefs or else the LexisNexis briefs.


Find a commercial outline keyed to your contracts case book.

There are none.  That was part of the OP's question.

Many times, a commercial outline is not listed as being specifically keyed to certain casebooks.  If that's the case, you might have to key it yourself by matching up the casebooks table of contents or the sylabus topics with the topics in commercial outline table of contents.  It takes a little work as your casebook (or professor's sylabus) may not be in the same order, or may group sub-topics differently, but it will get you the information you want. The basic concepts of the course should be the same and be covered no matter what the casebook.

However, that doesn't work for canned briefs which are very much casebook specific.

Current Law Students / Re: Intentional Torts question
« on: September 05, 2005, 08:20:41 PM »
I was taught the same way your professor thinks.  And the E&E for Torts agrees.

"Intent" alone is not the element of intentional battery.  The element is "intent to cause harmful or offensive contact, or an imminent apprehension of such a contact."

So unless the contact is intended to be harmful or offensive, as determined by the reasonable person standard, not the victim's subjective opinion, it's not likely to be considered battery.  Grabbing a woman's arm helping her on the bus probably wouldn't be battery, as a reasonable person wouldn't think there was an intention to cause harm inspite of the result.  Grabbing a woman's butt in a line would be even if she weren't hurt, as it's likely to be considered offensive by a reasonable person even if it didn't hurt.

Current Law Students / Re: Anyone know where I can get some more hypos?
« on: September 05, 2005, 06:24:51 PM »
Canned brief books can be bought online.  There are briefs online as well at  But I'd caution you that I've found mistakes in them.  I use them as a supplement, but not a substitute, for reading the cases.

The Planet Law School user group on Yahoo has people posting and discussing hypos.  Also, the E&E books have hypos all through them.

Current Law Students / Re: Question Re: Reading Casebooks
« on: September 05, 2005, 06:21:28 PM »
Reading the notes are usually important.  Sometimes they note exceptions to the rule in the case or describe minority state positions.  Or they show different facts that the general rule in the case applied or didn't apply to.  Certainly not as important as the cases, but they help flesh out the rules illustrated in the cases.

As for the questions, I have had a couple of professors who took question problem/hypos out of the case book, changed a few facts, and used the questions on the exam.  Also, there's no reason why you can't ask the professor ( or their teaching assistant if they have one, or your classmates/study group) to review your answer to see if it is a good analysis of the issues in the question.  So I'd advise taking a stab at them as well.

Current Law Students / Re: Additional materials worth purchasing...
« on: September 05, 2005, 06:15:46 PM »
Barrister, Barnes and Noble, Amazon all have them online.  Check with your school library as well; they may have copies on reserve.

I'd suggest the E&E's first.  They are written in reasonable plain English in a textbook style.  They give examples as to applications of the rules.  And most important, they are full of sample questions on each topic you can answer and then compare with their answers.

Commercial outlines are just that...a detailed outline in an outline format.  They can be tough to follow as an introduction to a topic.  I found them most useful at the end of a semester to compare with my outline to see if I missed anything.  But I'd try to make your own outline first.

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