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« on: February 28, 2008, 12:06:37 PM »
Do any of you have experience looking for enjoyable work for law firms that fall between these extremes of lowly sucktitude and lofty towers? I'm imagining firms of 15-75 lawyers, but perhaps that is off the mark. Was your job search almost entirely a mail 100 letters for every 1 response jungle? do these sorts of firms usually only hire attorneys who have already passed the bar? Do you know of people who chose this type of work over "biglaw?" Anything that you think might be relevant to a person looking at such work would be much appreciated.
« on: February 25, 2008, 11:15:54 AM »
What degree of difficulty would you all say is involved in getting a position with the government at the entry level? I do not wish to work for a law firm, especially not a large law firm, and I am planning my law school career around this rather broad personal belief. I could see myself being very happy working for some federal agency or perhaps for a local DAs office or maybe some interesting state government post.
I understand that many gov positions do not hire in advance the way that large firms do. I understand also that the pay is frequently very bad, but I am not expecting to come out with much/any debt, so that should help. What I am most interested in is the level of competition for these positions, particularly competition from fairly well credentialed people. For those of you who are applying, or have watched friends ahead of you apply, or perhaps are already working in one of these positions, what advice would you offer?
Is it particularly advantageous to be a lateral hire from some law firm? I get the impression that many law firm lawyers are rather unhappy and would like to go into something more personally meaningful with lower hours. How much does this clog the process down and/or undercut the efforts of younger, less experienced attorneys? I have heard that this is a much larger problem in the largest cities and with the most prestigious posts like the DOJ, but what about elsewhere? What if I want to be a city solicitor in portland, oregon or perhaps work in utilities regulation in las vegas? Are these types of jobs available to very young lawyers? How about very young lawyers who didn't quite graduate from the top14?
Any advice or personal experiences would be most appreciated.
« on: February 19, 2008, 04:35:39 PM »
Dark-haired male non-trad seeks advice from students at midwestern private beer-sponsored university.
Interests: non-macro beer, quiet semi-suburban lifestyle, good job prospects, intellectually stimulating environments.
Turn-offs: country music
No comment too pithy!
« on: February 08, 2008, 11:59:57 AM »
I feel as though all the blogs and posts about people from t2, 3, 4 schools who can't even get interviews are poisoning my expectations for law school. I find myself suffering a lot of anxiety that I will have difficulty securing satisfactory employment as a lawyer even from a top25 school.
Is this common? Is this rational? On the off chance that it happens, is bottom half at texas or vandy or wustl or minnesota a one-way ticket to a lifetime of doc review? I'm sure that it isn't, but what does happen?
Everyone seems to talk about the upside, about getting top 1/3 and being set for biglaw out of oci, etc, but what's the downside? Any students at very good but not elite schools have any experience with what happens to those people who just don't distinguish themselves?
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:52:52 PM »
I've been ruminating on this one for a while. I have some good reasons in my mind for either one, but I'm not ready to make a decision. There seem to be a number of people making similar choices, and I wanted to know what you all thought. Which would you choose and why?
« on: February 20, 2008, 01:59:11 PM »
« on: February 06, 2008, 09:57:36 PM »
It is my general understanding that trying to move from one state to another as a lawyer can be rather difficult. Some degrees travel better than others, and if your clients are all located in one state you might be starting over. To what extent does the possibility that certain regions of the country may be hard hit by any impending climate changes affect your view of getting your degree there and starting up a legal practice in those regions?
Perhaps you might prefer to avoid the southwest because of concerns that they are rapidly running out of water? Perhaps you might prefer to avoid the southeast because of concerns that they may see more violent storm activity and greater flooding?
Perhaps you don't remotely care?
Inquiring minds want to know.
« on: February 05, 2008, 07:16:21 PM »
Hey y'all. I think we can all agree that the incredible expectations and pressure put on us can be a real drag. It's obvious that we won't all get into harvard, but the prospect of having to admit to our lower scoring friends that their mushy mushy stories about living in garbage cans, coupled with their high GPAs in such lofty subjects as psychology and english, may have gotten them into better schools than us is pretty frightening.
I feel so alone.
« on: February 05, 2008, 02:56:25 PM »
does anyone else find it interesting to look at schools gpa/lsat numbers and weigh them according to their spread? like if a school like usc has 25/75s that are very close, and a school like ucla has 25/75s that are fairly far apart, wouldn't a sane person want to go to ucla on the theory that there is going to be a stronger difference in student quality between those at the top and those at the bottom which would allow a talented person an easier time in rising to the top? i notice that some schools also post a median lsat, which is, interestingly, usually closer to their 75th percentile than their 25th percentile. perhaps an indicator that they realize that they are admitting a large (at least 25%) chunk of their students with the understanding that they will, on aggregate, end up toward the bottom of the class.
there seems to be a trend that state schools are more likely to have a larger difference in those numbers. perhaps because of institutional pressure to admit alot of in-state applicants who would be weak applicants otherwise.
And yes I know that the numbers are only a mediocre predictor of a given student's grades, but we're not talking about single students but rather about large numbers of them.
« on: January 31, 2008, 03:39:53 PM »
Does anyone have any strong insight into how difficult this would be? Of particular interest would be Oregon and Washington, where I have some friends and family, but northern california is also attractive.