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« on: August 22, 2004, 06:02:19 AM »
Having worked for some 15+ yrs and known people at various income levels in different size cities, upper middle seems to come in around 120K. This is where you blow 5K+ /yr going to Disney, buy your 16 yr old a car for their birthday, spend 300K+ on a house, drive a 50K vehicle etc. Having a relative as a business unit manager, he scores probably around 175K. Couple this with a 750K house in the burbs of a big city, private lessons for the kids, new car when you want it etc. and I'd say this is pretty much upper middle. I'm not even going to touch on how our expectations have risen over the years and our parents (at least my parents) generation got by with one car and a 'small' 1800 sf house
« on: August 19, 2004, 01:23:19 PM »
I don't think you graduate gpa will influence the decision very much. Index will be based on UGPA and LSAT.
As far as LSAT time:
June - nice weather, afternoon start time, early enough to retake in Oct if you choke
Oct - nice weather, too close to retake in December if you choke, a lot of schools open apps in Sept - before LSAT test
Dec- weather may be crappy, awful late for most schools, screws up holidays with studying
Feb- crappy weather, too late for admin to most schools, studying will lag during holidays
Since you're in school you have to take into account what classes (if any) you'll be in when you prep for the test. Also will you be working FT or PT after you graduate as this may cut into your prep time.
I'd recommend June for the LSAT if you think you're prepped.
« on: August 19, 2004, 01:13:53 PM »
IMHO, denial test aside, you need to link greasy to pesticide to make the conclusion work. B does that better than A
« on: August 18, 2004, 05:12:13 PM »
I agree with GP and RPLB. Furthermore, I think ROI based on untrained practice test(s) leads to a false conclusion. My practice ranged from 160 -170, averaging 164, BUT these were based upon 1-2 sections at a time, not 4 strung together. The first time I actually did 4-5 sections at once was during the actual test. Nevertheless, if I consider my first test at 165 as a baseline and take 172 as my improvement, I'm looking at $42.3 per point.
If I estimate 60 hours of prep (13 practice x 3 hrs ea + 15 hrs reading extra prep material + 10% fudge factor) at $40/hr that stokes it up to about $385/point.
Part time instate tuition and books will run me about $40K total (90 hour program x $342/hr + books etc.). Time invested is estimated at 6400 hours - rounding up this puts time investment at $260K for a rough total of $300K in.
The killer comes in when I consider salary. Over a 7 year period I have to average $120K /yr to have enough of a gain to break even in a little over 7 years (if I assume I don't increase current $$$)
Hardly seems worth it.
« on: August 18, 2004, 01:30:23 PM »
If I don't consider what my time is worth than my investment was $1.72 per point. PFG if you ask me.
« on: August 18, 2004, 01:21:37 PM »
The second test was rated easier so the scores were adjusted down. I think 150-151 is always set as 50th percentile and then the rest of the scale determined from this. The conversion is based on the results of that particular test - meaning if 50% of the people got 90 questions right then a 90 would equate to a 150 and you would have a huge spread for the last 11 questions (one wrong may only be a 177). It's a way to standardize scores from multiple test/years so someone's 165 in 1999 will roughly equate to a 165 in 2004.
A two point swing is nothing in practice tests. LSAC reports a score band of 6 points so you should expect to see at least this much variation in your tests. I saw a ten point range myself during prep tests. What you want is a trend upwards over time - ie 164, 162, 166, 165, 168, 163, 170, 167 etc.
« on: August 18, 2004, 01:01:42 PM »
Registration, LSDAS, and LSAT prep books, etc. - $260
LSAT 180 from Kaplan - $30
Shipping to return prep book that arrived after the test - $6
Watching Kaplan and TM scam people out of thousands of dollars - Priceless
« on: August 17, 2004, 09:39:38 PM »
But I still can't hold a candle to dsong
« on: August 17, 2004, 01:23:10 PM »
don't quit the class
don't quit your job
don't worry about the diagnostic - they don't mean squat - only the real test counts
I had a full time job, two kids, a wife going to school, etc.. when I prepped for the June exam.
ended up with a 172
think how great it will be to get it over with
as the saying goes, you don't have to like it, you just have to do it
« on: August 16, 2004, 10:16:52 PM »
You gotta love the giant joint they lit during the opening ceremonies.
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