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hope you realize patent law requires a hard science degree for the pat bar.

it's probably easier to say what isn't promising - IMO with good grades and rank you'll find a good paying job in most areas of law - except crim law - almost never in crim law, unless you're planning to be a mob lawyer or defend sports stars.

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General Board / Re: Digital Voice Recorders?
« on: June 09, 2006, 10:58:34 PM »
I haven't noticed anyone recording yet.  I had one prof who would not allow it because she felt it was too easy to take something she said out of context and use it improperly.  Whatever you do, ask the prof first. 

The only problem I've heard about recording is that the student questions are not always heard so you may get the reply, but you won't hear the question.

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St. Marys / Re: Current Students: How Necessary is a Laptop?
« on: May 13, 2006, 07:55:33 AM »
Sorry, I usually surf by the last 200 posted and did not notice it was st mary's only.  I still stand by my comments except for the computer lab one.

Google "dell laptop coupons" and you should hit a couple sites that offer $750 coupons if you spend so much.  Even though my school and work offered Dell discounts, using a coupon off the internet ended up being cheaper.  School and work directed me to a 'special' site where the selection was limited compared to the general public - in addition, some of the deals Dell offered to everyone weren't available thru work - like free upgrade on the drive or memory.  My 600M ended up being about $1200 delivered and has held up well being lugged from home to work to school and back everyday.

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General Board / Re: What kind of hours do you anticipate working?
« on: May 02, 2006, 12:18:50 PM »
6-6

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St. Marys / Re: Current Students: How Necessary is a Laptop?
« on: May 02, 2006, 12:12:48 PM »
not a necessity, but I think it helps

easier to take notes
easier to create outlines
most of my profs use powerpoint and post them so it's easy to put them into my notes

much easier to write exams - I can type faster than I can write

When you say typed exams what do you mean?  Typewriter? 
Students here can also use the computers in the labs to take exams on.

Your writing class may require an electronic copy of your papers so you still might need a computer at home.

out of 80 some students in my section, about half type and half write the exams.  probably 75% using a laptop in class, but a large portion use it to surf or IM during class - it is a distraction.  It is easy however, to pull up the FRCP or the state rules for reference or hit lexis for a case that may only be squibbed in the book.

so a laptop has its advantages, but you can survive without.

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General Board / Re: University of Illinois or IU- Indy students
« on: April 09, 2006, 03:01:27 PM »
There's a big female dog among IU-I students about the lack of employers outside the 465 loop who interview on campus.  The director of the Professional Development office just left this semester - don't know how that will shake out.  There seems to be some more action in the area of online career help, but how much of this is dressing and how much is meat waits to be seen.  The consensus I get is that if you want a job outside of Indy, you'll have to work at it yourself. Even if you want a job in Indy you'll have to work at it if you are out of the top 10%.

IU-I seems to be struggling to get out of the shadow of their big brother in Bloomington.  Small to Med size local firms and especially the government seems to like the school - just my opinion based on what I hear, read, etc. no real facts to back that up.

BTW what is a LOT of money.  IU-I gives all out of state students money to help offset costs, but they've been stingy when it comes to helping instate applicants.  Budget appears to be tight again this year with maintenance and upkeep of the new building costing more than anticipated.  Of course, they have been without a true Dean for the last 2? years so maybe this is offsetting the red ink.

The profs I've had so far are pretty laid back, no hard core types yet.  Most students are helpful if asked and I haven't seen any real gunners to speak of - no hiding the relevant books or tearing out pages.  Everything is online, from registration to books to assignments.  Most profs appear to be email savy and reply pretty quickly to your questions.  This helps a lot when you can't get to their office hours.

Finally, you should visit both schools if you haven't already and take a tour and talk with some students.  Get a look at the surrounding area where you'll be living for the next 3 years (or more).  I would weigh the higher ranked school a little more, but don't discount the 'vibe' you get when you visit.  All that being said, most IU-I grads seem to stay in the state, that's not saying you can't get a job in the Windy City, it's just more likely than not that you'll end up working in Indiana.

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General Board / Re: do i need to have powerpoint for law school?
« on: April 08, 2006, 08:24:37 AM »
Civ Pro I - first year - the class was divided into groups and each given a case.  We had to create a 20 minute powerpoint presentation on the case and present to the rest of the class.  Chances are someone will have it.  Never is a strong word, you should know by now there are always exceptions to the rule...

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Indiana - Indianapolis / Re: IU - INDY
« on: March 28, 2006, 01:38:55 PM »
Go to IU-I's website and look at the schedules for the fall - you won't have every class every day and you'll have time during the day to get the reading done.  If you keep up with the reading you should be able to avoid dragging a ton of books back and forth.  Don't forget to get a parking pass, you can get it online from IUPUI's website.  IU-Indy is on the campus of IU-Purdue - Indianapolis (IUPUI) so a lot of the admin stuff is through IUPUI and not IUI (hope that makes sense).  If you're set on an apartment, all you have to learn is the locations of nearby bars (The Distillery or the Rathskeller come to mind...) most of the other places probably won't matter to you.

You'll need a OneStart account and an Oncourse account, but the school should send you info on setting all these up.  You'll also need to register your laptop so you can get online through the wireless network.  Get a couple cheap USB keys for exams if you plan to type, the online submission isn't debugged yet.

Lockers are limited, first come, first serve.  If you can find an empty one throw a lock on it and tell Therese at the front desk and it's yours for the life of school. 

More random items:

http://iuilaw.blogspot.com/

is the school blog which will give you a limited flavor of the gossip - mainly it's the same people posting, but you'll learn things about the school, profs, etc.

The school just started charging for pringing this year - $.01 / page because the med school students were printing for free on the law school printers and sucking down all the supplies.  This means you will need money on your Jag card (that's your ID) to be able to get any of your papers. 

Here's the class schedules:

http://www.indylaw.indiana.edu/students/

and all sorts of other good info, student handbook, computers, etc.

The school offers almost ALL software you'll need FREE so if you are buying a laptop go cheap on the OS and any of the applications.  You'll be able to download (or buy from the bookstore for low low $$$) WinXP Pro, Office Pro, etc.  See here:

http://iuware.indiana.edu/

Financial aid info:

http://www.iupui.edu/~finaid/

more indy info:

http://www.indy.org/

gotta go back to reading Con Law...


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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Law School Prep Books
« on: March 28, 2006, 01:06:37 PM »
E&E, Gilberts, and my favorite, the Sum and Substance CD series.  Take your pick on canned briefs, you'll use them less than you think.

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Indiana - Indianapolis / Re: IU - INDY
« on: March 28, 2006, 01:01:01 PM »
sorry, this weekend - April 2nd - will be the first weekend Indiana will observer daylight savings time and change their clocks.  I expect a whole bunch of articles in the Indy Star about how hard this time change is, how it messes everything up, how all these people have to reprogram their VCR's, yada, yada, yada.

Downtown and the school area has really improved in the last ten years (used to be a dump).  Bear in mind, that 10 min walk next January will really suck.  You could also live out in the burbs - even from 30 miles out it won't take you that long to get to school.  The North side has a lot of traffic, West side is increasing but not bad from like Plainfield, but if you have to go Rockville Road, it will be very crowded.  Southside traffic is picking up but still not too bad.  Eastside is dead for the most part, nothing too much out that way.

West of the river isn't quite as nice, nor is south inside the loop.  Northside is the trendy place, around the Broadripple area.

Snag a locker as early as you can so you don't have to lug that 6+ pound Con Law book everywhere.  Load up money on your Jag card, it's a lot easier than carrying cash.

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