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All right, I've calmed down a bit. But I still hate topic proposals.

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2L job search / Re: What is going on?
« on: August 21, 2009, 12:17:39 PM »
That's right, I didn't think of that. I guess I should ask- have they rejected you for interviews, or just not responded? Things are getting pushed back, so you may still get interviews with a few of those firms.

I wouldn't freak out yet, but I would try another market or two if you've limited yourself.

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2L job search / Re: What is going on?
« on: August 21, 2009, 12:05:26 PM »
Rejections or just no callbacks?

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General Board / Re: Cuz I'm Curious
« on: August 21, 2009, 10:34:49 AM »
So, the short version = if you want to be a real lawyer you need to go to a T5, or do above median at a T14. Otherwise you're a glorified paralegal?

I'm not going to take issue with that suggestion, but will ask yet another question: exactly how do they (the law school collective) attract 40,000 new matriculants (or more) each year?

It depends how you define "real lawyer". If real lawyer = Biglaw, then you need to be even better than that, at least right now- pretty much HYS, or median or above T6, or top 25% of so MVPB, or top 10% the rest of the T14, or top 5 (not percent, but people) at other schools. But there are a lot of very good jobs outside of Biglaw- government jobs are hard to get as well, but not quite so hard to get. Beyond that, there will be people who "make it" in law, but it's a crapshoot, and the odds are against it.

As for why there are so many law students- it's probably a good thing, because there's a lot of repetitive and time consuming legal tasks, so lots of lawyers keep the costs lower than they would be.  But lots of people delude themselves into thinking they're going to make 120k+ straight out of law school. Unless you're T14, don't count on it.

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I'm so damned aggravated about these topic proposals. I have no idea where the hell to start. I know nothing about anything. I try to read about some area of law and I quickly figure out that I have no clue what the hell anything is talking about, and I don't have the time to sift through 200 pages of statutes to figure it out. This absolutely sucks. I'm practically seeing red.

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They told us about it, but in a "use it at your own peril because you'll probably be preempted" way.

I think of all the law review tasks, this one is going to be my least favorite. I've spent around 20 hours on each one of these. I absolute hate it.

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I absolutely suck at topic proposals, but topic proposals during OCI of DOOM are pure torture.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Yet another chances thread
« on: August 20, 2009, 01:58:05 PM »
Assuming you get a 170, you're aiming right to maybe a touch low. 170 is 98th percentile, so that might be a big assumption.

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Law School Applications / Re: $$$/Prestige Question
« on: August 20, 2009, 12:51:47 PM »
Yale

Harvard/Stanford

Columbia/NYU/Chicago

Michigan/Virginia/Penn/Boalt

Northwestern/Cornell/Duke/Georgetown

Rest of T1

T2

T3

T4

There are almost certainly exceptions within my groupings, but in general I'd say be willing to go down one level on my diagram for money, but not two. In some cases this is merely hypothetical (Harvard doesn't give merit scholarships), but in general this should serve you well.

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General Board / Re: Cuz I'm Curious
« on: August 19, 2009, 10:05:52 PM »
Sorry, good call. I was under the impression that it started last week. Same on Duke.

However, Columbia did start earlier, and those have gone pretty badly, assuming there's not going to be a late wave of callbacks. It won't be better for the 7-14 level schools.

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