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Where should I go next fall? / Re: WUSTL tuition deposit
« on: March 31, 2008, 01:42:28 PM »
Also, just for your info, I contacted admissions, telling them I was still waiting to hear from a couple of schools about financial aid, and they were kind enough to give me an extension until April 15.  I hate to dump a bunch of these requests on them, but, it seemed fair to share...

and they also mentioned it's refundable until May 1.  So, confirmed again.

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Hmmmm.  Thanks for the feedback so far.  I am leaning towards Michigan today, excluding if Vandy ups their offer.  But who knows about tomorrow - I sure hope I have something permanent by April 15...

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I posted this for the decider on another thread, but really i want some outside opinions, and i think he may be done. opinions?

If you are an in-state resident for one of the schools, let me know which one
-nope
If your parents are paying for a % of your law school, explain that.  Be sure to include whether or not you care about your parent's spending excess money.
-nope
Let me know what you are like socially and what type things you enjoy
-collegial atmosphere important. I like to go out on occasion, and I like options when i do. but i'm more likely to sit around drinking and watching movies.  I've lived in a little eastern european village for two years and can't wait to live somewhere where everyone doesnt know me and report on everything i do.  college towns don't really appeal to me, because i like to live in places with normal people in addition to students and professors.
Where you want to practice, and what kind of law you want to practice (possible options include biglaw, midlaw, small firm law, public interest, clerking, government and business)
-NOT biglaw.  that's the only certainty, but i'm very interested in working for a governmentagency. work-life balance and being proud of my profession is important to me.
Any other notably relevant information
-I'm mostly deciding between Michigan, Vandy, and WUSTL.  I've asked Vandy for more money.  Mich is the least appealing to me but obviously the highest ranked AND they have a great LRAP - it may very well be a better financial choice than Vandy is at the moment, based on financial projections.  thus why i asked vandy for more money, bc i would really like to go there.  also, i've never been to ann arbor so probably my negative reaction to it is unfair.  i'm very anti-debt.  vandy is 2 hrs away from my family, whom i haven't seen in almost 2 yrs at the moment, and it would be great to be near.  StL is 7-8 hrs away, Michigan 10-11.
LSN below. Comments?

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Ooo me me!

If you are an in-state resident for one of the schools, let me know which one
-nope
If your parents are paying for a % of your law school, explain that.  Be sure to include whether or not you care about your parent's spending excess money.
-nope
Let me know what you are like socially and what type things you enjoy
-I like to go out on occasion, and I like options when i do. but i'm more likely to sit around drinking and watching movies.  I've lived in a little eastern european village for two years and can't wait to live somewhere where everyone doesnt know me and report on everything i do.  college towns don't really appeal to me, because i like to live in places with normal people in addition to students and professors.
Where you want to practice, and what kind of law you want to practice (possible options include biglaw, midlaw, small firm law, public interest, clerking, government and business)
-NOT biglaw.  that's the only certainty, but i'm very interested in working for a governmentagency. work-life balance and being proud of my profession is important to me.
Any other notably relevant information
-I'm mostly deciding between Michigan, Vandy, and WUSTL.  I've asked Vandy for more money.  Mich is the least appealing to me but obviously the highest ranked AND they have a great LRAP.  also, i've never been to ann arbor so probably my negative reaction to it is unfair.  i'm very anti-debt.  vandy is 2 hrs away from my family, whom i haven't seen in almost 2 yrs at the moment, and it would be great to be near.  StL is 7-8 hrs away, Michigan 10-11.

LSN below. Comments?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Virginia -or- W&M w/ $$?
« on: March 27, 2008, 09:00:17 AM »
Ok... I had enough of people posting on this board without doing the proper research first!!!!  I have read a multitude of times that if you want to make over 100K a year then go to UVA itd be nearly impossible from W&M!!! For those posters that think this you may want to head to your local barnes and nobles and pick up a few books on choosing law schools!!!  The 2007 copy of the U.S. News Ultimate guide to law schools has the following listed as the median starting salary in the private sector at William and Mary (2005) $95,000 per year....the 25th-75th percentiles are $75,000-$125,000 (82% of the graduating class reported)  by contrast UVA has a median listed at $118,000 with the 25th-75th percentiles being $100,000-$128,000 (100% reporting)!!!  Now mind you these salaries are before bonuses!!! 

....Follow your heart and go where you are comfortable!!!  If you are comfortable taking out those loans and putting yourself in debt then do it and go for it!!!  If not then do not do it because you will constantly second guess your decision and stress yourself and that will affect your first year performance which will hurt  you much more than making a decision between the #10 and the #30 ranked programs in the country!!!  The best advice I have gotten from the professors at OSU and the many lawyers and law students I  know is that "The opinions of the media, of the your peers, of your girlfriend, of your family, are simply that...opinions...the only person who knows what is right for you is you"   

that is a lot of exclamation points. zowie.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Virginia -or- W&M w/ $$?
« on: March 21, 2008, 09:02:32 AM »
I COMPLETELY understand trying to avoid the extra debt, and I agree that it's a tough decision.  Based only on your facts and how you seem to feel about it, I'd probably go with W&M too.  But - before you decide - check out the LRAP for UVA.  I don't know what it is, because I've not heard from them yet, but I know that Michigan's LRAP applies for ANY job that requires a JD, including lower-paying small firm jobs and the like in addition to traditional public interest and gov. jobs.  So, do a couple of theoretical spreadsheets on loan payments and projected earnings, etc, and make sure that W&M is really that far ahead financially (you also might want to give UVA a better starting salary).  I had a slightly similar situation with a good scholarship offer at Vandy, which i got attached to, then Mich followed with a smaller but very suprising amount of aid.  when I did some (very basic, I'm don't know that much about finances) projections on excel, based on working for the gov, Mich came out ahead.  even if my theoretical situation changed, michigan still came out equal, and my choices with be broader with a Michigan degree.

then again, keep in mind that if UVA was a stretch, you'll also be much more likely to be top of your class at W&M, which would be nice.

anyhow, regardless of what you choose, congrats!!

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Financial Aid / Vandy need-based $
« on: March 18, 2008, 09:18:23 AM »
So, I'm STILL waiting and desperate to hear from Vandy on this front, although i turned in my info by the preferred deadline.  They offered me a great scholarship, and I want to go, but I need some more help to choose it over Michigan's aid (need-based + small scholarship).  So, anybody that's already received word, let me know if you can.  On this thread or PM me with how much they offered grant-wise (or if they offered zilch when you were expecting something) and if possible your basic financial situation.  Thanks to everyone willing to share this info, it will really  help having a basic idea of what to expect.

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I'm one of 8 people with 169+, 3.7+ on LSN who've been flat-out rejected by Penn.  I mean, not that I expected an acceptance, but c'mon, rejected in early February?  I don't have any skeletons in my closet or anything, and my soft factors are pretty good.  How about a waitlist, a deferral, or no response at all till later?  Harrumph.

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So, I was hoping some of you might help me out with something - talk me into Michigan.  I know it's a great school with wonderful programs and a very decent LRAP, but it's in Michigan.  I got all attached to Vandy after they offerred me a good scholarship, but then Michigan sent me good financial aid as well and I know it will open more doors for me after graduation, as well as having a vastly superior LRAP.  Logically, unless Vandy ponies up more money, I know what my decision probably should be.  But it's so cold! and so far away from family!  and it's a college town!  and it's not as touted for the good quality of life like Vandy - tell me about all the good things...

Thanks, guys.

Yes, it's true that a population of students at Michigan will have much broader opportunities available than a population of students at Vandy, but personal happiness goes a long way.  And it's not like you're talking about ditching a top 10 school to go to a third tier or something.  Vandy is still a great school.  I'd say to come visit Michigan with an open mind, and if you still feel that way, then by all means go to Vandy.  (I'm not being snide, either.  It makes no sense to make yourself miserable.)

I don't really know anyone here who's actively unhappy with the big picture – I mean, we all do plenty of kvetching on a day-to-day basis, but that's law school – and that's in part because we never encourage people to come to Michigan who think they'll not love it.  And there are enough of us who do love it to easily fill a starting class.

Btw, I'm with Gengis.  I dunno if y'all didn't figure out who I was, or just didn't care to talk to me. (:() But only 1 LSDer approached me the whole Preview.  And there were AMPLE opportunities. :D

Thanks for the information - but, that's part of the problem.  I would love to visit, but I'm living abroad and can't come home until June.  I guess I should have mentioned that...

Anyhow - I know, I mean I really know, that Michigan is a fantastic school.  I was excited to get in, and in  state of disbelief when they actually made attending a financial possibility.  And I suspect that despite the greater debt it will likely put me in a better financial position as well as extending job prospects.  Anyway, if anyone else is up for raving about everything they love about Michigan, I would love to hear it.  Because although I got attached to Vandy, I've visited neither so logically can't assume I'd be happier there.  Thanks again, I've enjoyed perusing through this thread...

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