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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 4 ... but full scholarship
« on: January 21, 2008, 02:11:06 PM »
What are the conditions on the scholarship?

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Vanderbilt Wait List
« on: January 21, 2008, 01:32:11 PM »
If you posted your stats, people would probably have a better way to guess at your chances.  You could also compare your figures to the few who were accepted from the wait list and who posted to LSN.  I would think that they rank applicants primarily by LSAT and GPA.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: How to go from a 147 to a 169
« on: January 21, 2008, 11:42:30 AM »
6. IF YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH GAMES...READ THIS. I went from getting 7 correct on my first diagnostic to getting 100% on this section on my actual test. (This advice was given to my by Liz and Linbergh...thanx guys…also read all of Liz’s stuff when you get the chance…she is a sweety and if you read the material in her posts, your score will improve…period).

A) Ok, go to the back of the Games Bible and you'll see all the games up to about 2002 (I think) broken down by game type. Eg. Basic Linear - defined; Advanced Linear - overloaded, undefined etc.)

B) Take all the games and group them according to game type. (put all the basic linear games together...all the grouping games together etc. I made a list in Word and crossed the games off as I went along)

C) Then do all the games of one type and master it before you move on to the next type. Eg. Do each "basic linear – defined” one after the other. I would also recommend doing each game about 3 or 4 times before moving to the next one (my rule was one hour per game…maybe 45min for the easy ones). If you do this for every game type you will be a master at them. Also, follow the approach in the Bibles…I also bought the ultimate setup guide and sometimes it helped….once in a while I would miss an inference shown in it. Honestly, doing this while taking the course is absolute GOLD. If you ever get bogged down on a particular game type the teacher is there to walk you through it. So ya, this is the best way to attack the games in my opinion…hopefully that helps.

I categorized all of the games according to the LGB in a spreadsheet and also separated all of the games into individual games and then sorted those according to type.  I just did the main categories: linear basic, linear advanced, grouping, grouping/linear, and then grouped the others together.  If you are looking at a single game for an hour, what are you doing in that time?  After you have found the missing rule/deduction that you were not applying, what else did you do to maintain productivity?  If I do the same game two or three times in a row, I am to the point where I am just working from memorization as to the steps to take.  Did you experience the same?

How old is the person?  If he is 22 years old, straight out of undergrad, he may not have enough exposure to the "real world" to determine exactly what he wants to do for the next 30 years.  From what I have read, going to a lower ranked school can severely limit your options after graduation.  Graduating from a low ranked school may leave only a few options for this individual and he may not like the options once he graduates.  I am not suggesting he will want BIGLAW after graduating, but he may want to do something else that may be more difficult to accomplish from a lower ranked school.

What is causing this person to look at T4 as opposed to T2 or T3.  If their LSAT score is the problem, I would suggest they study and retake the LSAT if they are not competitive for scholarships at even a T3.  I have a friend who has relegated herself to now claiming all she wants is a small firm job and is settling for a T3 or T4 school solely because of her LSAT score.  She has a 4.0 from a small university, but scored in the mid 150s.  If she retakes, the worst case for her is that she receives the same or better scholarship at a lower ranked school, but she could wind up with a good scholarship at a much better school.  She just does not want to prepare for the LSAT. 

If he thinks that he will receive scholarships from T4 schools, but not higher schools, you also need to consider the requirements to maintain scholarships at many of the lower ranked schools.  I have not looked into this personally, but there are several threads that I have read on LSD that indicate lower ranked schools are more prone to pass out scholarships to something like 50% of the class, but require top 30% to maintain the scholarship, meaning at least 20% of the people who received scholarships for their first year will not receive them in years two and three.  The numbers listed above are not precise, but the point has been made that they plan on a substantial number of their students losing their scholarships.

Are the T4 schools he is considering really that much cheaper than a T2 or T3? 

I do not see any benefit in aiming for the lowest ranked law schools.  If there are extenuating circumstances please let us know.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Anyone thinking IP Law?
« on: January 20, 2008, 09:10:13 AM »
I also have the physics courses , but they were not taken in consecutive semesters.

The General Requirements Bulletin says the credits must be obtained in "two sequential courses," which suggests that one course must be a prerequisite for the other (i.e., the courses are sequentially ordered), but doesn't require on its face that they be taken "in consecutive semesters."  Is the PTO telling you otherwise?
Sorry, I meant to say that I have the same for physics courses, more hours than required, but not the lab credits.  The first class had a lab, the second class at a different school did not have a lab.  I have not applied for the exam yet. 

I'm a WUSTL 2L and would also be happy to answer some questions on here or by message.

Basics: I have a scholarship, I'm not from STL although I do have "ties to the area" and I didn't have a hard time with the job search.

As for rank, I would agree that you'd probably want to aim for top 20% (the cutoff for some OCI firms) or top 1/3 to have an easy time getting Biglaw at a top firm. If you're a bad interviewer, you will have a harder time (obviously) despite good grades. I do know numerous people outside of the top 1/3 - some are still looking (if the market they want has a lot of competition and not many options) but I know people in the bottom of the class who interview well and have non-market but high-paying firm jobs. A lot depends on the market you want and how flexible you are.

EDIT: I'm not on here often so if you want a fast response, message me which sends me an e-mail
Were you able to secure a job for this coming summer in St. Louis or are were you hoping to go elsewhere?  For the people who do not have jobs lined up, what are they doing to find jobs?  Is the career development office still assisting them or are they pretty much on their own?  I ask because there seems to be a trend that students who do not receive interviews or offers through OCI complain that the school's career development office isn't helping.  I was just wondering what your take on the situation was at Washington University. 

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Anyone thinking IP Law?
« on: January 19, 2008, 05:02:53 AM »
If I can convince the USPTO that my coursework qualifies me to sit for the patent exam, I will be taking that this summer.  I finished with a computer science degree.  I started at an engineering school for the first 3 semesters of undergraduate, but the chemistry sequence for all engineers (even chemical engineers) did not have a lab for the second semester.  I have two lab credits, one was a general safety/basic chemistry lab I took over the summer prior to starting and the other went along with the lecture in the first semester.  So, I have 10 hours in chemistry, USPTO wants 8, but my hours in chemistry are not in consecutive semesters with a lab for each.  I also have the physics courses , but they were not taken in consecutive semesters.

So, I guess I will see.  It is somewhat puzzling why the USPTO requires computer science degrees to be ABET accredited for the patent exam when some of the top computer science programs in the country are not accredited by ABET.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Prep Test 33 - Games Setups - any advice??
« on: January 18, 2008, 12:53:17 PM »
This is what I come up with.  X/Y being required was not in my original setup but added it later.

Rub: F G H
Sap: J K M
Top: W X Y Z

2-3 Top
Ms -> Wt -> &
or -> Wt -> Ms

=2 Sap -> 1 Rub & 3 Top

X/Y W/X/Y/Z ___ ___ ___ ___

Law School Admissions / Re: ? RE: How Schools Report The LSAT
« on: January 17, 2008, 06:50:54 PM »
I think they just report the highest score for people who enter their class in the fall.

No, I don't have a link. =)

This is fun. Let me try with Non-T14 schools in the SOUTH (south of DC metro area)

1. Vanderbilt
2. Washington and Lee
3. Emory
4. William and Mary
5. Tulane
6. Wake Forest
7. UNC
8. Georgia
9. Alabama
10. Miami

What does Wake Forest have over UNC?  I haven't looked at either very closely, but I thought UNC was a better school.

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