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Where should I go next fall? / Illinois v. Missouri
« on: April 12, 2008, 11:16:40 AM »
My goal is to obtain a market paying firm job in St. Louis.  8 of the 9 NALP firms in St. Louis interview on campus at Illinois, all interview at Missouri.  It seems that to have a shot at my goal, I need to make top 15% at Missouri.  At Illinois I am not sure what class rank I would need to maintain, but one can graduate with honors with a 3.25 GPA, which appears to be around 40% of the class.  I currently live in Missouri and my parents live in St. Louis, so I will be in the St. Louis at various times throughout the year.

I assume cost of living will be very close in Urbana-Champaign and Columbia.  Missouri tuition will be approximately $16,000 for three years, Illinois tuition will be approximately $60,000 for three years.  I am still waiting on WUSTL, which would make this discussion moot, but these are my two options right now.

Any thoughts? 

Where should I go next fall? / Arizona resident tuition
« on: April 03, 2008, 10:33:35 PM »
Has anyone successfully obtained resident tuition rates at an Arizona law school for the second and third years?

The was initially presented as a fairly easy process, but the more I read about this, the more difficult it appears to be.  In the guide I obtained from UA has a section that states:

What is the policy about establishing residency while attending school in Arizona?

All of the evidence is weighed under the presumption that a non-resident student's presence in Arizona is primarily for the purpose of education and not to establish domicile, and that decisions of an individual as to the intent to establish domicile are generally made after the completion of an education and not before.

What is your take on this?  The wording seems to suggest that they are not going to give students any leeway in determining residency for tuition purposes.

Where should I go next fall? / WUSTL waitlist chances
« on: March 26, 2008, 01:57:48 PM »
Once again, too much time spent sorting through data online to satiate my curiosity. 

Of the top 100 or so WUSTL admits (based on index) on LSN who have yet to post their final decision, I came up with the following (ordered from most to least likely that the admitted applicant will withdraw):

22 are likely
24 are somewhat likely
33 are possible
22 are not likely

The classifications were based solely on my own perceptions from comments on the forums.  I realize my own personal bias towards WUSTL, so I tried to give a bump, in close cases, to the other school. 

The most common decision was Vanderbilt:WUSTL at 90k:120k or 60k:90k, which I placed in the somewhat likely category unless the person was from the Midwest which they were then put into the possible category.   

Last year's LSN data has 152 applicants with 100 withdrawals. 
This year's LSN data, so far, has 220 applicants with 40 withdrawals.

Where should I go next fall? / I would give you my spot if I could...
« on: March 24, 2008, 01:02:41 PM »
Has anyone heard of a person making a concerted effort to persuade withdrawing applicants from one's target school to include an extra sentence or two in their withdrawal letter suggesting that the school admit a specific person currently on the waitlist?

I imagine the effect would be negligible, but I am starting to think that I will probably need something to catch the adcomm's attention in the sea of 166s awaiting a decision at WUSTL.  Any thoughts?  Anyone want to participate in this experiment? =)

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Missouri Reception 03/16
« on: March 16, 2008, 12:15:27 PM »
If you are attending the reception and want to meet up afterwards post in this thread.  I suggest we meet at Shakespeare's Pizza, but other decent options include The Heidelberg or Flat Branch Brewpub. 

Where should I go next fall? / Arizona v. Missouri
« on: March 11, 2008, 05:31:47 PM »
Does anyone have any insight into either of these legal markets?  I am starting to whittle down my options and am strongly considering AZ or MO schools.  Here are two things that I have been considering, but I know very little about Arizona as I haven't lived there in many years.

Schools: Missouri's two large markets have several feeder schools, MU, KU, SLU, WUSTL, UMKC, a significant portion of which are competing for the same jobs.  Arizona on the other hand has only UofA and ASU.  I'm sure that graduates from neighboring states have a presence in Arizona, but are there any schools that other than those in Arizona, that have a significant presence in Arizona?  Is there significant competition from California graduates for jobs in Arizona or are ASU and UofA considered top dogs in Arizona?  MU seems to come in 3rd place behind KU and UMKC in Kansas City NALP firm associate positions and also 3rd place behind SLU and WUSTL in St. Louis.  Is a graduate from UofA or ASU going to have a better chance than a graduate of MU at a large firm job given the same class rank at either?

Distribution: Phoenix appears to dominate to the legal scene in Arizona, while Kansas City and St. Louis seem to be fairly equal.  I have lived in all three cities and would be happy in any of them, but I'm not sure if the concentration of one larger legal market as opposed to the separated markets has any relevance.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Missouri ASD 3/12
« on: March 11, 2008, 03:50:45 PM »
Is anyone attending the admitted student's reception in St. Louis for Mizzou tomorrow?

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Arizona ASD yesterday?
« on: March 11, 2008, 10:30:11 AM »
Who went and what did you think?

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Iowa ASD this Friday, who's going?
« on: March 03, 2008, 10:41:18 PM »
Does anyone who is going to be in Iowa City for the ASD want to get together the night before or the night of the ASD for food/drinks? 

Don't feed the troll (westside) when he shows up. =)

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