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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Law School Placement in Texas Big Law Firms
« on: April 25, 2010, 02:48:07 PM »
For the love of all that is reasonable, THE ECONOMY HAS CHANGED. 2008 numbers ANYWHERE are NOT APPLICABLE. Look at the NLJ 250 placement stats between the classes of 2008 and 2009. Note that the 2007 OCI was considered vastly better than the 2008 OCI, and that, in comparison to the 2008 OCI, the 2009 OCI was a bloodbath.

To give you some examples:
-rumor has it that UT advertised "part-time law assistant/nanny" jobs on symplicity.
-rumor has it that the percentage of Columbia 2L's who got at least one offer from their OCI program dropped from 97% to 67% between 2008 and 2009.
-rumor has it that Georgetown students at the MEDIAN are having trouble finding internships in D.C.

Debating the relative merits of in-state schools is fine. Debating those merits on the basis of these statistics is a recipe for disaster.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What books to read to understand these subject?
« on: April 25, 2010, 02:37:31 PM »
OP is basically me from two years ago. I tell you now what others told me: don't start studying now. It's just a waste of your time.

If anything just take one of those courses on how to take law school exams. I should have done that.

In an economy where there are rumors that some T-14 2L's at the MEDIAN can't find summer interships in the cities where their schools are located, any argument for attending a T3 or T4 school simply cannot be taken seriously.

The only reason to go to a non-T6 school at sticker right now is if they got a full (or close to full) scholarship.

You have a full scholarship.

Discussion over.

Preferably Keyed to Eisenberg's Bankruptcy Casebook.


Job Search / Re: Call back distinction...?
« on: September 07, 2009, 12:47:04 PM »
From your statement that the firm was "out of state" I construed that you would be incurring substantial travel expenses. Notwithstanding that such expenses are apparently insubstantial in your case, the substance of your interview will probably be different, whether you classify what you're doing as a "callback" or not. At a callback interview that comes after a screening interview the firm has already determined that you meet their general criteria (i.e., you're a go-getter, you're laid-back, you want to work in a certain area of law, you're committed to staying in the region, you know a lot about the firm, etc.), and the questions when you come in will be more targeted. When you come in without having established such things, the interviewers will be trying to get a read on you. You know they like something about your resume, but you don't know exactly what that thing is. Not only will your interview process be longer (you might meet with five or six attorneys, as opposed to three or four), but it might be the case that each interviewer focuses on a different aspect of your resume. This doesn't seem difficult, but your head can start to spin after the third or fourth interview and you don't want to give inconsistent answers or asking duplicitous questions. Nor do you have much time to build on the knowledge you picked up about the firm at the screening interview. So while you may not be in a worse "place" in the firm's eyes than the folks the firm invited after an OCI, you are at a significant disadvantage insofar as you don't know how to best sell yourself to the firm. So you'd better make friends with someone who went on a callback with that firm. Failing that, do your homework.

Job Search / Re: What is going on?
« on: September 06, 2009, 07:35:57 PM »
Your election to study abroad this summer instead of going out and getting real-world experience was, quite frankly, a big mistake. The firms don't know whether you can apply your academic acumen to real-world problems, at precisely the moment when clients are asking tough questions about subsidizing the cost of the associate learning curve. You need to sign up for a clinic or get a local part-time job as soon as possible. Do not think that your prior work experience gives you a leg to stand on. I also worked in firms before coming to law school, but the interviewers I've met with thus far have shown much greater interest in my summer employment than in the work I did before, probably because there's an enormous difference in the types of work-related problems you handle before law school, and the ones you get once you understand how lawyers actually think.

You also need to apply to more firms. Many more. I know folks up here with solid credentials who have sent over 300 unsolicited resumes and received next to nothing in the way of a response. They have now shifted their focus from cities like New York to cities like Rochester. If you don't swallow your pride soon there won't be anything left.

Job Search / Re: Call back distinction...?
« on: September 06, 2009, 07:18:49 PM »
Clarify with the firm first, especially regarding transportation issues. I was faced with a similar situation a year ago at a firm (admittedly one in my home state). Because that firm considered the interview to be a combination of screening + callback, I didn't get reimbursed for my transpo expenses.

Job Search / Re: Judicial Internship at District Court or RA?
« on: May 06, 2009, 06:39:26 PM »
you should inquire as to whether you can work the ra gig off-site, sometimes professors are flexible and if you don't plan on having that much fun over the weekends this summer you'll really be able to pad your resume.

thanks. any particular reason why?

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