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Where should I go next fall? / Re: C v C v N
« on: February 25, 2009, 06:28:10 AM »

My point is that there are very informed people who hold a school like Michigan in very high regard because they know and have worked with students and alums and have been impressed, and that's how they judge the "quality" of the school. There are very informed people in the realm of public interest and government, for example, who may have had better experiences with and been more impressed by students from Michigan than students from CCN, for any number of reasons, including the fact that (1) Mich may turn out more and better PI students because of their LRAP and PI focus and (2) equally or more qualified students often choose Mich over CCN because of its public interest support, LRAP, and generous scholarships. I guess you could call that biased if you want to, but everyone's opinion about these schools is subjective on some level. What makes one school "better" than another is in the eye of the beholder, on some level. So yes, I guess I would say that there are some informed and influential people out there who hold Mich in higher regard than CCN. And there are plenty of informed and influential people out there who hold the opposite view - perhaps significantly more people, hell. But this "huge" prestige difference is not true across the board.

I agree, but I think this logic would hold true for many, many, many schools (provided that the differential isn't too big). So like you could also then argue that Georgetown is held in higher regard than Virginia, or Cornell than Penn, or what have you. But yeah, I see your point. That's fair.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: C v C v N
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:38:48 PM »
I prefer Michigan over CC, (and also N, though more marginally.) I'd like to think I'm informed, though, I suppose I can't make that judgment call about myself.

CC are great schools for many things - big law, especially. As someone with a PI/government focus, I prefer Michigan, as it is a school with a clearly articulated public interest focus and strong institutional support for people who choose to take that path. Neither CLS or Chicago provide this to the extent that Michigan does. Can someone do government or PI from CC? Yes, obviously. But the schools do not support that as a career path in the way that Michigan does. And this trickles down to people in PI and government, who yes, do happen to hold Michigan in very high regard..

But is it that you prefer Michigan for you or that you think Michigan is "better" (all around, not in your particular area of interest) ?

And you don't have to answer this... I don't really know why I even chimed in on this thread. I certainly don't intend or want to annoy anyone or anything. These are all fine schools.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: C v C v N
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:23:33 PM »
What is this huge difference? I'm not denying that there is a difference. I'm just saying that a difference between CCN and Michigan, even if it exists, doesn't necessary have to outweigh Michigan, especially when taking into account: money, COL, and quality of life.

Oh, absolutely. And personal preferences come into play on top of that. I thought you had said that some people hold Michigan in as high of a regard as, or higher than, CC. That I'm not sure I agree with. NYU, maybe. NYU sucks.  :P

You're not sure you agree that "some people" hold that opinion?

Okay.

Ooh good catch. I guess I should qualify that, huh? Informed and unbiased people.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: C v C v N
« on: February 24, 2009, 11:03:57 PM »
What is this huge difference? I'm not denying that there is a difference. I'm just saying that a difference between CCN and Michigan, even if it exists, doesn't necessary have to outweigh Michigan, especially when taking into account: money, COL, and quality of life.

Oh, absolutely. And personal preferences come into play on top of that. I thought you had said that some people hold Michigan in as high of a regard as, or higher than, CC. That I'm not sure I agree with. NYU, maybe. NYU sucks.  :P

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: C v C v N
« on: February 24, 2009, 10:34:46 PM »
Seriously - what exactly is the "prestige" difference between Chicago and Michigan? For government/PI, Michigan is substantially better, especially given Chicago's mediocre LRAP (although to be fair, NYU is also very strong in this area). I would go to Michigan over CCN anyday, especially with money.

The Michigan trolling on this site is unreal. The difference is huge. CCN is more prestigious than MVPDCNG. Period.

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Non-Traditional Students / Re: Getting into T14 w/ low gpa
« on: January 21, 2009, 08:06:55 PM »
Georgetown is a dream school? Well, you're set then. The only other T14 that doesn't give a crap about GPA is Northwestern. My guess is that both of these schools will take you for your LSAT.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where to go if I don't get into a t-14
« on: January 09, 2009, 02:37:57 PM »
Ok, lets look at it this way.  Cornell and Michigan place nearly the same % of their class in NY biglaw.  However, Michigan places a much higher % in Cali and DC biglaw firms + academia (which means these students could have also gone to NY).  How do you not view this as proving my point?


Well, this is a start. Not really true that Michigan places nearly the same % .. and if they did, then your argument would fall apart anyway. But okay, even if true, this info doesn't prove your point because of self selection. The very argument you yourself made! You're saying that more Mich students COULD go to NY. I'm responding, ... more Cornell students COULD too!! This thread wasn't about placement in Cali or DC or academia.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where to go if I don't get into a t-14
« on: January 09, 2009, 02:14:08 PM »
Because your assuming Cornell's options are the same as Michigan's globally.  Further, if Cornell students all really want to stay in NY (since they don't go anywhere else which is fact), Cornell should place more students in NY biglaw then they do.


Wait, what? I'm not at all saying Cornell's options are the same as Michigan's globally. When did I say/assume that? I already conceded that traditionally Michigan places better in academia, just not in east coast biglaw. And I dunno about anyone else reading this, but when you keep saying that Cornell doesn't place anywhere outside of New York, I feel like you're really weakening your argument (everyone knows this is false). You're not providing any substance to anything you're saying. You make assumptions and then prevent others from making the same ones. I never said all Cornell students want to stay in New York. I said many do. And certainly all can.

I don't see any need to continue this... I think both of our positions have been laid out rather well. OP will go wherever s/he wants.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where to go if I don't get into a t-14
« on: January 09, 2009, 02:04:52 PM »
How are you not getting this?  Your argument only makes sense if Cornell places equally into Biglaw + academia + elite other options as Michigan does, but Cornell does it all in NY.  However, Cornell doesn't.


One of us is misinterpreting the other. I don't think you get what I'm saying .... but if it's me who isn't understanding, ... I apologize.

I get that you're saying Michigan has academia options and other markets to place in and therefore chooses not to place in NYC. Right?

If so, ... we're on the same page so far. My response to this is that Cornell also has options, but chooses to place in NYC. Does that make sense?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Where to go if I don't get into a t-14
« on: January 09, 2009, 01:56:30 PM »
Let me explain "could if it wanted to."  The Michigan students who choose to go to DC or Cali or Texas, could also take jobs in NY if they wanted to.  Meaning, an individual who wants to go to NY would be better off going to Michigan than Cornell.  The statistics of where people decided to work don't paint the picture of how well a school places in a market.  If 50 Michigan kids want to work in NY and 50 got jobs there, that is better than 100 Cornell kids who want to work in NY but only 70 got jobs.


I understand what you're saying, ... I just don't know why you're saying this. I mean what's your source/proof? Who measures where people want to go? Do you not see how your info is speculative?

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