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Hi Everyone,

I was wondering about IP law and how much your school determines your job prospects.  What I'm effectively asking is, how sizable is the gap in opportunities between IP grads of a T1 school and T3 school?  Is it larger or smaller than the gulf between graduates of other types of law (international, criminal, etc.)?

I'm under the impression that since IP lawyers are hard to find, it doesn't matter as much where you went to school, as you would've had to have a science degree (in my case, Bioengineering) and pass the patent bar.  Notice that I'm not saying "it doesn't matter," just asking how much it does matter.


Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Missouri Reception 03/16
« on: March 18, 2008, 01:20:59 PM »
Anybody? =)

epicac, are you in Columbia still?  Even though you aren't considering MU, feel free to join us.  I like Booche's too...

Thanks for the invite, but I haven't been there in almost a year.. I moved to STL awhile back, and am headed to NYC, but don't be surprised to see me at one of those crazy Homecoming Saturdays they specialize in ;D


If you guys had to choose between LSU, SLU, Northeastern and Marquette, what would you guys say?

I guess I should include why I am considering each school. First, I am not looking to go into Big Law. Probably public interest or constitutional/human rights law...don't mind if I am not making 100k a year or whatever.

Saint Louis U - From what I understand, they are adding a new building to the law school. It seems like they have a great school and since WUSL students tend to leave, SLU students have a good chance in the SL job market.

I guess I'm qualified to give some insight into SLU, as I've hung out with their law students for the past handful of years through mutual friends.  I'm not sure about a new building, but I have sat in on a couple classes in the current building, and from what I can tell it's a pretty nice place to hang your hat.

I'm sure you know that Health Law is their big thing, so much so that almost every kid I know that's gone/goes there considers it for a career.  If you want to practice in St. L, it is definitely a good place to go.  There are so many connections in the city that if you do well in your classes, you'll have a job, no sweat.  Chicago firms even recruit the top students, and I have a friend that works for the mayor in a large east coast city.  So I suggest visiting the city (and steer clear of Union Station, it's empty) and checking out a few of the attractions- City Museum, the Landing,  a Cardinals game, the zoo, etc..

Good luck in your choice:)


i want to international human rights law in the middle east. this is really my passion, and after researching different MA programs i realized i would rather just get the JD, its only one extra year.

Have you looked at Seton Hall's program in Zanzibar?  You don't have to go to SH to participate in it- it looks incredible, and you learn about the fight against human slavery.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Missouri Reception 03/16
« on: March 17, 2008, 01:38:42 PM »
If you are attending the reception and want to meet up afterwards post in this thread.  I suggest we meet at Shakespeare's Pizza, but other decent options include The Heidelberg or Flat Branch Brewpub. 

Shouldn't Booche's be in the discussion?  Although the roof on Heidelberg is pretty sweet.

Up until a few months ago, I wasn't sure what my answer was to this question.  I came across an article in the Economist talking about the poorest part of the world, in India, where a family of 10 lived in a space 1/2 the size of a US parking space.  Crazy, right?  Well the article went on to talk about how incredibly happy many of these people are.

I grew up around money, with money, and let me say that people with money aren't any more happy than the rest of the population.  If you have a reason to make lots of money, good luck getting it.  But for me, money won't make me happy.  Being productive and having a great family is what would make me feel fulfilled.

Sounds lame when I type it but that's how I feel.  ;)

I would also like to know the answer to shelfgirl's question. What if your dreams don't lie in working 80 billable hours per week at a Biglaw law firm and instead are more in-line with working at a small(er) firm, and eventually hanging your own shingle / opening up your own boutique law firm? The lack of entrepreneurial interest on these boards is kind of shocking to me!

I agree.  My brother went 3rd/4th tier, and didn't do very well.  But he took a garbage job out of school and then used the knowledge and little bit of $$ he made to start his own firm.  He works long, hard hours, but he's doing great.  I think anyone that is dedicated enough and works long hard hours (60-80 hour weeks) will do just as well, even at a lesser school. 

What I can't understand is how all these LSD users still in ugrad have lots of knowledge about the job market.  Everything is 2nd or 3rd hand.  I can only go on what I know, and that's that of the handful of people I know who have gone to LS, the ones that work the hardest in and out of school get rewarded the most.  And that's how it should be.

Don't sweat it, from what I can tell, these are the people that you will be grappling with for the top of the class! ;)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Arizona v. Missouri
« on: March 16, 2008, 02:46:00 AM »

Hopefully, I can get a better sense of the living situation on the Columbia scene, and maybe get a few leads on good places to live.

I'd recommend the south side of town, maybe somewhere off Southampton, if you're looking for a quieter place.  There are some nice places to be had in the heart of downtown (near 9th and Broadway), but it tends to get rowdy down there, and distracting.

There are some new places around Forum and Nifong that might suit your needs, too.  Just don't go north of 70 looking for a place.  Not the pretty part of town, for sure.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 160-164 Thread (give or take)
« on: March 14, 2008, 12:17:20 PM »
Hi fellow 160-164ers.  I know there were a few folks on here waiting on IU-B so I thought I'd let you know there were a bunch of acceptances yesterday on LSN, the biggest jump in a while.  All people who got in via email.  Lots of 164 and 165 people.  Too bad I'm a 163.  But maybe that means the floodgates are about to open.  Good luck to those of you waiting!  And my apologies to those of you who will now be obsessively checking email (if you weren't already).  ;)

Now if only Brooklyn will start sending out something, anything, to 160ish applicants...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Arizona v. Missouri
« on: March 14, 2008, 08:51:21 AM »
Is a graduate from UofA or ASU going to have a better chance than a graduate of MU at a large firm job given the same class rank at either?

Distribution: Phoenix appears to dominate to the legal scene in Arizona, while Kansas City and St. Louis seem to be fairly equal.  I have lived in all three cities and would be happy in any of them, but I'm not sure if the concentration of one larger legal market as opposed to the separated markets has any relevance.

I'm from Missouri and went to Mizzou, and have a few friends who stuck around for law school.  I can tell you that the law school is right in the prettiest part of campus and it's a pretty new building (10 years old, maybe?).  The city is a hidden gem, but then again I may be biased.  I think you should visit and see if it's a fit for you.

As for job prospects, from what I can tell, the law school is great in a few areas.  If you're interested in politics, it's the only LS within 2.5 hours of Jefferson City, the state's capital.  The thing people forget is that many SLU grads end up in Illinois, and many UMKC grads end up in Kansas.  Wash U grads go anywhere, from coast to coast.  So really, if you think you'll want to stick around in MO, I don't think you can do better than Mizzou.

But just my opinion, I don't know anything about U of A.  Hope this helps.

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