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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Missouri 1L taking questions
« on: March 24, 2008, 08:20:25 AM »
Here is the company that I rent through... This is the ONLY place I can give an actual review on. Brandon Woods place is nice, quite, and has a good rental co.

I have friends that live here:

There is just a couple to look at. If you google like "apartments in Columbia, Mo" you will find all the big apartment complexes. Also craigslist is a way to go.

I'd recommend the first over the second.  The Southampton area is a nice, quiet area where you'd be hard-pressed to find a kegger within a mile.  Mainly because it isn't within walking distance of campus, so kids have nowhere to stumble home.

Katy Place is around some massive new developments where you are likely to be distracted by the people in a handful of ways.  Anywhere around Bearfield/Jefferson Commons won't be conducive to your intense studying.

East campus is where I spent most of my time partying while in Columbia, but like Bearfield/SE Columbia, you will hear bottle rockets outside your window all the time, kids will be stumbling home drunk in front of your house/apt every night of the week, and parking can be difficult.  Not that I wasn't guilty of partying too much, but just remember this when figuring out where to live.

Maybe west of campus, still within walking distance?  It seems quieter than the rest of campus, and may be a short walk.    I know some people that live(d) on Burnam, and it's close enough to walk while still remaining nice and quiet (from what I can tell).

Hope this helps, good luck!

I mean, SLU sent me a pretty sweet looking pen. MU didn't. I guess that's the tie-breaker, eh?  :D

I'm a fan of it.  Aerodynamic.

I'm familiar with both, and while SLU isn't in the best part of town, it's relative.  As in, it's dangerous if you're not from a big city.  SLU has good ties to St. Louis, whereas Mizzou has ties all over the state.  Most places will recruit both, and they are close in the rankings, so if I were you I'd visit both to get a feel for the environment.

Mizzou is in a college town from top to bottom.  You can walk from your building to lunch, sit down and eat, and be back in an hour.  SLU will probably require a car ride both ways.  There's a larger variety of options on a Friday night in St. Louis.  However, if you're the type of person that likes to drink a beer on a Friday night and people watch, the people you watch at Mizzou tend to be a little easier on the eyes.  But if you're beyond hanging out at bars and going to football games, then you should lean towards SLU.

And as people have probably told you, SLU specializes in Health Law.  Mizzou, with its incredible journalism school, is more into politics, as many state and local politicians went to UMC.

So in all honesty, I don't think you can go wrong, just pick the one you're more comfortable at- the rural college town or the school integrated into the (relatively) big city.


What I think may give you an edge is studying EU IP law, or comparative Asian IP law.  IP is intrinsically borderless, so the intersection of international jurisdictions and treaties and IP will be a hot area over the next five years.

That's right!  I've heard this too.. I have a friend who works in Germany and she said that her company keeps expanding its IP department, hiring new lawyers all the time.  Hopefully I'll get to study abroad and talk to some people who work internationally in that sector.

You are speaking about a specific facet of IP law, namely patent law.  More specifically, it seems that you're addressing a particular position within of the practice of patent law, which is that of a federal patent officer. 

If you are planning on going becoming a patent lawyer, your undergrad background will likely count very much.  You might be able to use your undergraduate background to leverage a position at a better firm coming from a lesser law school. 

The days of few IP lawyers are over.  I estimate that by the time you and I are practicing, IP lawyers will almost be a dime a dozen.  They most certainly will be in 15 years. 

Ah, It makes sense now.  I think the reason I call IP "patent law" is because people have repeatedly suggested it over the years, because of my ugrad major.  But, in all fairness, it was a few years back, before people went grad degree crazy.  In fact, I jumped into the job market right after my BS because everyone I knew it was a hot major and I needed to get experience lickety-split.  Looks like I missed the boat on patent law.  The first boat at least :)

However, I've heard the life of a patent examiner is no different than my current career anyway, salary aside.  In other words, I'd still be in a lab environment with a bunch of antisocial oddballs.

Well, I guess that's why I was hoping for 'Dozo, oh well, que sera, sera.

these days the Bio side is flooded and competitive.  Likely due to PhD's leaving the bench and looking for other careers.

Ah, see I'm one of the reasons why it's flooding.  I've been a bioengineer in a neuroscience lab and it just isn't all it's cracked up to be.  The medical business is just out of control, and research is no different - everyone tries to do the vogue research and they trump up every result like it's a breakthrough, just to get bigger monitors on their computers.  \

So I guess your answer is that it's just as flooded and competitive as everything else.  Thanks!  ;)

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering about IP law and how much your school determines your job prospects.  What I'm effectively asking is, how sizable is the gap in opportunities between IP grads of a T1 school and T3 school?  Is it larger or smaller than the gulf between graduates of other types of law (international, criminal, etc.)?

I'm under the impression that since IP lawyers are hard to find, it doesn't matter as much where you went to school, as you would've had to have a science degree (in my case, Bioengineering) and pass the patent bar.  Notice that I'm not saying "it doesn't matter," just asking how much it does matter.


Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Missouri Reception 03/16
« on: March 18, 2008, 12:20:59 PM »
Anybody? =)

epicac, are you in Columbia still?  Even though you aren't considering MU, feel free to join us.  I like Booche's too...

Thanks for the invite, but I haven't been there in almost a year.. I moved to STL awhile back, and am headed to NYC, but don't be surprised to see me at one of those crazy Homecoming Saturdays they specialize in ;D


If you guys had to choose between LSU, SLU, Northeastern and Marquette, what would you guys say?

I guess I should include why I am considering each school. First, I am not looking to go into Big Law. Probably public interest or constitutional/human rights law...don't mind if I am not making 100k a year or whatever.

Saint Louis U - From what I understand, they are adding a new building to the law school. It seems like they have a great school and since WUSL students tend to leave, SLU students have a good chance in the SL job market.

I guess I'm qualified to give some insight into SLU, as I've hung out with their law students for the past handful of years through mutual friends.  I'm not sure about a new building, but I have sat in on a couple classes in the current building, and from what I can tell it's a pretty nice place to hang your hat.

I'm sure you know that Health Law is their big thing, so much so that almost every kid I know that's gone/goes there considers it for a career.  If you want to practice in St. L, it is definitely a good place to go.  There are so many connections in the city that if you do well in your classes, you'll have a job, no sweat.  Chicago firms even recruit the top students, and I have a friend that works for the mayor in a large east coast city.  So I suggest visiting the city (and steer clear of Union Station, it's empty) and checking out a few of the attractions- City Museum, the Landing,  a Cardinals game, the zoo, etc..

Good luck in your choice:)


i want to international human rights law in the middle east. this is really my passion, and after researching different MA programs i realized i would rather just get the JD, its only one extra year.

Have you looked at Seton Hall's program in Zanzibar?  You don't have to go to SH to participate in it- it looks incredible, and you learn about the fight against human slavery.

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