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Where should I go next fall? / Re: New York Law School or Syracuse?
« on: April 17, 2008, 10:52:17 AM »
I graduated from NYLS 7 years ago in the heart of its disaster years and I can tell you that all students from the Law Review top of the class to the bottom HATED the school.  I was offered a full scholarship to Seton Hall and turned it down for a smaller scholarship to go to law school in Manhattan and NYLS at the time had a higher ranking .... HUGE MISTAKE!

The professors taught very poorly, a lot of professors with personality issues and inferiority complexes, incompetent suck ups who couldn't teach and forced a political agenda got promotions, you had to beg school administration to get credit for a legitimate internship ... it was awful

The first year the bar pass rate crashed along with the school's ranking... the school actually had the audacity to blame the students....   I had friends in that years graduating class who were very smart people and had actually been accepted at higher ranked schools but chose NYLS for larger scholarships were livid... The worked hard in school and studied very hard for the bar and got no where because of NYLS' failure to teach properly and they just couldn't believe that the school had the nerve to blame them.

What is worse is that NYLS NEVER regained its prior standing and made absolutely no effort to do so... If NYLS had kept its ranking today it would be in the top 100 which is what many firms require.... For those of us who chose the school due to its ranking at the time we felled ripped off.  Sort of like paying for a Lexis and getting a beaten up, used lemon...Well when I enrolled at NYLS it was in the top 100.... NOT TRUE ANYMORE and there is no way to explain that to potential employers especially when you are in a pool with hundreds of other applicants who don't have to explain their law school....


If your LSATs are high enough try Brooklyn... I wish I had applied there... I thought that going to Brooklyn I wouldn't make the same contacts as Manhattan.  Not True... I found out that Brooklyn Law students love their school and graduates actively recruit from their to many good firms... If you can get in I strongly recommend Brooklyn Law.


Have you been back there lately?  Something tells me that the new facilities will have a ripple effect- better professors, better students.  It seems to me that 90% of the complaints about the school revolve around the old building.

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As said before by a million others, assume this will be a one-year scholarship only and decide accordingly.

they are being willfully ignorant (if not deceitful) about information that is likely to reflect poorly on them.

in light of what I've heard from someone who recently graduated from NYLS

Thanks for the blunt honesty... I was thinking the exact same thing, taking it as non-renewable.  There are still many factors (new building, next to gf's work, their isection program) pushing me to NYLS that even if the scholarship is just one year, I still will be attending.

As for ignorant of the numbers, I imagine that's a common practice in this USNWR-driven business.  Any other insights from the recent grad?  Vault seems to indicate that it's not as bad as its ranking, and that the new building will give it a boost since the old facilities are rank.

Thanks again. :)


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I sent a question to NYLS this morning about their scholarship retention rates, since my scholarship has unusually high requirements - top 15% to renew.  I was told they do not have the numbers.

Is it surprising that they don't have these statistics?  Wouldn't they have them on record in the financial aid office?  I asked in a follow-up email if the school has them, but the advisor didn't, or if they just weren't compiled anywhere.  I was told succinctly that no, the school does not compile them.

In more reassuring news, he assured me that they do not throw all the scholarship recipients in one section, which was my initial fear. I'd read that some schools do this, which I think is just cruel.

Also, I know I can expect a couple TTT comments, so at least keep them clever!   ;)

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Where should I go next fall? / ...
« on: April 08, 2008, 01:29:45 PM »
*moved to the financial aid board, sorry...

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Brooklyn Scholarship??
« on: April 02, 2008, 02:19:10 PM »
Brooklyn is never good with answering calls from what I can tell.

I've heard this... and I'm experiencing it myself.  I'm going to have to send in a deposit to NYLS in the next 2 days, it's too bad they haven't bothered to give me a response at all.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Pace vs. NYLS
« on: March 31, 2008, 04:25:29 PM »
NYLS is very expensive so I would choose Pace if you don't receive any money from them.  If you get into Fordham, Cardozo or Brooklyn without money you should still choose any of them over Pace and NYLS. I wouldn't risk not being in the top 5% and consequently having a hard time finding employment. At least at the other schools you still have a shot at big law if you're a little below the median. The alumi network at these schools are also stronger. Good luck!

Isn't it more that Pace is cheap than NYLS is expensive?  I was under the impression that St John's, Dozo, and Seton Hall were all $35,000-$40,000/yr...

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"Hundreds of hours of sophisticated thought by alumni, faculty and staff have gone into this project, informally dubbed the Apollo Project."

Unbelievable.  Hundreds of hours?  At $100/hr for 500 man-hours, that's 50K.  Plus, they only dropped 3 places!  What are they doing at the schools with the big drops?  The "Apollo Project" is both an insult to NASA and to all of us.

I agree to a certain extent that the rankings are bogus.  You have a series of arbitrary criteria, so arbitrary that when other seemingly random factors are used, Cooley ends up T14!  I think people need to think more about what matters to them like the school's city, or whether it's regional/national.  Also, the idea of diversity is incredibly random and open to manipulation.

For instance, I knew a girl in ugrad who was 1/16th Native North American.  She was blonde haired, blue eyed, and never even knew this great great grandparent.  I couldn't blaming her for taking the substantial scholarship money - I would've done the same thing.  But it just goes to show you that statistics are only as reliable as the person reporting.  Does anybody even buy USNWR any other times during the year?  :D

That being said, I'm not going to minimize the impact of the rankings too much, as I'm sure employers pick up a copy, but it's just an interesting phenomenon on these boards that when the rankings leak people go crazy.

Just some thoughts.  Thanks.

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look, you'll get into brook since you broke 160, at least if you r down for the pt program..

i have some friends at NYLS, and it seems cutthroat to say the least...  i transfered from a school a lil further down the pecking order in ny, and brook is making things significantly easier

i do not think 30k is worth turning down brook for nyls..  and top 15 is dammmmmnnn tough no matter where you go..

oh - and ur literally in lower manhattan w/in 10 mins by subway

10 mins?  Don't trains come every 10?  I thought the stop itself was a 5 min walk from the station.  Maybe I'll have to check out the campus.  And I understand that I'm on the bubble.. but that's what the waitlist is for, you know?  There are people on LSN who went complete in November and haven't heard anything.

I'll give it a shot, but I just got a great feeling when I was around NYLS and it's neighborhood.  I'll probably end up living in Brooklyn, though.. Bushwick maybe?

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i second that the adminstration has been great...

i'm a 2L who transferred this year from another nyc school..  ive mainly dealt w/ the career center and registrar, and both offices have helped a ton for everything i needed..   

if you're comparing ny law, that top 15 percent renewable sounds pretty tough - i would negotiate w/ them to lower that if possible..  also, if you get into brook - GO no questions asked ..   


Ah, but since my two main options are private practice and patent law, I've been really leaning towards NYLS.  Plus, the fact that I'd actually be able to see my special lady occasionally for lunch (she works in lower Manhattan) helps too.  I'm definitely planning on negotiating though.  Brooklyn won't give me a cent, though, if they let me in.  30k on the table is hard to pass up, even if I don't get the 60k for top 15%.  Don't you think?

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Law School Rankings / Re: T3, T4, etc..
« on: March 27, 2008, 06:01:58 PM »
All right, all right... I guess I'm just fickle that way.

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