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Current Law Students / Re: The Reality of the Forced Curve
« on: October 20, 2005, 10:27:11 PM »
B+. D-mn. Ours is a 2.8 and goes up to 3.0 after the first year. What really sucks is there are some classes where everyone blew away the midterm. If the final is like that then people with high raw scores will get screwed. Theoretically if the low man has a B+ raw score, he's gonna end up with a D for the final grade. I think they should report raw scores along with the final grades and class rank so people looking at your transcript will get a better idea of your actual performance. Does anyone know what the rationale behind grade curving is?

The 1st reason for the grading curve is to put everyone in different sections on equal footing going into 2L recruiting.  Another reason is so students can be compared to their classmates, even if that means some who do very well don't get top grades because others do better. 

Reporting raw score on a transcript would not mean anything to potential employers.  Every professor has a different scale and a different number of raw points are given.  For instance in the  2 classes in which I know what my raw score was lsst year I received 47 in one and 120.8 in the other.  The 47 ended up being a slightly higher grade than the 120.5 (both were mid 80s and 7-8 points above our curve).  This had to do with what value each professor gave specific things, the number of issues included, and how good the analysis my classmates gave.

I am not even excatly sure what you mean by a B+ raw score.  Unless your school is different than any others I have heard of the raw score is just the number of points that someone accumulates on the test and this number is not out of a potential number of points.  It is not like every other test you have probably taken where you receive 80/100 possible raw points.  If someone receives 80 raw points that is what they receive plain and simple - there is generally no "best" possible score.  Sometimes based on depth of analysis or clarity of the answer a professor will give more points than they initially considered for a particular point.  The raw scores are then put in order and the curve established.   

Current Law Students / Re: The Reality of the Forced Curve
« on: October 20, 2005, 05:52:06 PM »
There might be some lumping together of grades but I don't think it will be as great as you expect.  The more classes taken the more chance for deviation.  You also have possible deviation from professors who either have a smaller/larger range on their curve or those who don't use a true bell curve to reach the average - i.e. I don't thik it is likely every professor will take the lump 80% in the middle approach.  This doesn't mean that some people won't be tied for class rank spots and the deviation may be small, but there will be some difference. 

For what it is worth where your curve is set doesn't really matter a whole lot, unless it is for ego purposes.  Prosceptive employers look to class rank, not GPA, otherwise comparison between schools would be virtually impossible.  Those firms that recruit at given schools will know what the average the grade and what the equivalent is at other comparable schools.

Reasoning and analysis are significantly more important than the right answer. 

In fact there is rarely if ever a "right" answer on the exams professors write.  They generally try to place the facts in a place where they could go either way.  They will often want you to give an answer to resolve the question but won't care what the  answer is as long as the analysis and reasoning are good.

I haven't not been in your class to see what emphasis your professor is giving in Criminal Law but based on my classes in previous semester here is what I would think he might be talking about:  The majority opinion in these cases has been accepted as the law and how it should and would be applied to the specific facts of the case in the most jurisdictions.  The accepted analysis applies only the specific facts of the case and if a small change is made the analysis could swing in the other direction.

Current Law Students / Re: Study aides to avoid...
« on: September 22, 2005, 09:29:56 AM »
I don't know of any specific study aid to avoid, but I would say try to stick with only 1 per class.  If you try to fit more in than that you probably will not have time and will have material that you will rarely if ever use.

Current Law Students / Re: Short citing on a memo
« on: September 17, 2005, 09:03:35 AM »
Im just gonna play it safe and cite everything... whats the worst that happens... i get penalized for being careful?? im not worried.  Thanks for the tips though

The one reason I would not use the complete cites for everything is the space that it takes up.  You will be surprised how fast you will get to the page limit on any given brief or memo and every character you save will make a difference.

Current Law Students / Re: Civ Pro Audio Help
« on: September 16, 2005, 04:00:49 PM »
Sevearl people I know used the Law School Legends version and really liked it.  One guy didn't use it first semester and got a 76 in the class, and after using them had a final average of 84 - meaning he got a 92 2nd semester.

I don't know if this version is better than Sum and Substance.

Current Law Students / Re: Federal Judge Declares Pledge Unconstitutional.
« on: September 14, 2005, 04:11:44 PM »
The 9th circuit loves to issue odd decisions.  If the decision is upheld in the 9th Circuit Appeals Court and makes it to the Supreme Court I don't think there is any way the decision will stand.  Next thing we know he will be attack money saying it is unconstitutional as well. 

Current Law Students / Re: Federal Rules of Civ Pro
« on: September 14, 2005, 04:08:29 PM »
I don't necessarily think you need to memorize the rule numbers, but it is somewhat helpful if you are allowed to use your rule book during your exam.  Even saying that I don't necessarily think you need to sit down and memorize the numbers because in the course of doing practice problems and applying the rules you will just learn them. 

Current Law Students / Re: Short citing on a memo
« on: September 12, 2005, 05:00:22 PM »
It depends on the situation, but based on what you what you wrote I think it would just be Id. at 633. 

Current Law Students / Re: My professor and an uncomfortable situation...
« on: September 11, 2005, 08:49:26 PM »
Why is this so hard for you people to believe? Where are you from?

I have had a few professors who will call on students 2 classes in a row.  They sometimes do this to make sure a student doesn't relax after getting called on.  They know just like everyone else that sometimes after getting called on a student feels like they don't need to read, just like you probably did, and calling on someone 2 times in a row early on can help stop this.  For this reason I have no sympathy for getting claled on and grilled 2 classes in a row. 

As for the other stuff - if it is true and I tend to believe it is not - you should definitely talk to someone and get it taken care of. 

It very well might be true but the story is over the top in several aspects and on internet message boards this is very often a sign of an embellished or completely made up story.

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