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Do you want to be a lawyer? If yes, than law school is how to do that, any ABA law school will let you sit for the bar. If not sure, then decide that first before you go any futher. Go to law school if you want to be a lawyer, don't go to law school if your gaol is something else than being a lawyer.

Exactly. If you're just going to law school for the resume line, don't bother. It's not worth the time and money if you're not planning to use it.

And just like Matthies said, any ABA school is good enough. In the end, everyone has to pass the same bar exam. And after a few years of practicing, where you went to school won't matter as much as what you've done since.

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My general rule is to never trust a law school's administration.

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FYI, many schools game the system and make it impossible for everyone to keep a scholarship they have.

Which schools don't actually do this? It seems rare....

Loyola made all of our scholarships unconditional when I applied.  They originally had a 3.0 requirement (pretty easy to maintain), but they changed it over the summer before we started.  I think it was in response to Kent throwing HUGE dollar amounts to people knowing they would lose 40K worth of scholarships.  And also somewhat in response to DePaul loading a section full of scholarship folks.

And this raises another good point. Some schools have been known to do extra bad things like load an entire section with scholarship folks so that 3/4s of them will lose their scholarships. This seems like it's mainly an issue at really low ranked schools, and it doesn't seem to happen too often, but it does happen from reports.

-Edit... yes, "bad" is what I said. Good to see pending lawyers need a censor....

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FYI, many schools game the system and make it impossible for everyone to keep a scholarship they have.

Which schools don't actually do this? It seems rare....

The few times I've heard of schools not putting the conditional tag on a scholarship it's been because of people going to schools that they are grossly overqualified for. Like if you'd be an easy fit at Harvard but decide to go to Howard for some reason (as an example). I'm not saying that this is how it always is, but in what I've seen and heard, this is how it always is. So unless you're planning to go to Appalachian or some similar location, get used to the conditional tag.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida International University
« on: November 26, 2007, 11:51:49 AM »
In my little bit of research, FIU looks like a fine school and I would have no real complaints about going there. It's a newer law school, but it's one of the only ones that I actually believe when they claim to be poised to make big strides in the rankings over time.

I'd say going for international law is the weakest link here. But, if you know that's what you want to do and you're willing to stick with it, I'd say give it the go. Worst case, it doesn't pan out and you go into gubment work.

I'm going more for immigration law... which is kind of a subset of international law...

Immigration law actually doesn't sound like a half bad idea, especially given the growing attention that it has been getting lately. My only concern with it would be that it would be like Constitutional law in that it would be interesting, but hard to make a living in if you work outside of the government, but I don't really know for sure on that.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida International University
« on: November 26, 2007, 11:35:10 AM »
In my little bit of research, FIU looks like a fine school and I would have no real complaints about going there. It's a newer law school, but it's one of the only ones that I actually believe when they claim to be poised to make big strides in the rankings over time.

I'd say going for international law is the weakest link here. But, if you know that's what you want to do and you're willing to stick with it, I'd say give it the go. Worst case, it doesn't pan out and you go into gubment work.

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Geoffrey Fieger. I don't like the guy as I think he comes across poorly in interviews, but he was able to donate something like $4 million to Michigan State's law school and he claims to have won more multi-millon dollar lawsuits than any other attorney in the country.

And I think Albany produced a couple of Supreme Court Justices about 100 years ago.

But really I think that depending on how you measure success, most people that go to law school, get their JDs, pass the bar, and secure some kind of employment will be wildly successful by most normal people's standards. Even if you're not clearing $160k right out of law school, $45k + benefits working in government (with the potential to still clear over $100k a year down the line) is still more than the vast majority of people in their mid to late 20s make and more than the "average" American makes (about $32k), though the average American is between 35 and 45. So, on scale, it's actually very difficult to go to almost any law school and not be successful compared to the rest of your countrymen, especially once you get your loans paid off and start putting money in the bank.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Arkansas $$$ v. Miami
« on: November 26, 2007, 10:54:45 AM »
If you are taking out loans to pay for school, I honestly don't think Miami is worth it b/c you are simply not likely to get a job that will pay enough to allow you to service the big debt you would incur there comfortably. That is reality.

As to Arkansas, I would be leery of accepting a conditional scholarship at any school (since you may not be able to keep it), which I'm assuming this one is. However, you may be able to get in-state tuition at AR even if you lose the scholarship. You should definitely look into to this. With in-state, AR would be a good deal, assuming there are AR alums where you want to practice.

Personally, if you want to stay in AR, I think Little Rock is a not a bad place at all. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I visited there a couple years ago. I'd recommend checking it out when you visit Fayetteville if you haven't been there already. Salaries for lawyers in general will be little lower there compared to other states, but the cost of living is also very low.

Good advice, thank you. Yes, my scholarship is conditional, but even if I did lose it, it would only add $10k onto my bill for the last two years, so no big. I will be establishing residency in Arkansas if I do go there and the school has already sent me lots of useful information on that process.

I've never been to Little Rock, but I've been to the Fayetteville area and I can say that I wouldn't mind staying for a while. A little less money doesn't bother me as long as I'm making enough to pay the bills and live comfortably, which as you point out should be cheaper to do there.

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On the upside, if there is one, you should probably qualify for residency after your first year if you go to Alabama. If you do end up losing your scholarship, your tuition will still only be $20k for the remaining two years. While it would suck if you lost your scholarship, at least you would be paying one of the lowest state tuitions.

As for correlations between LSAT and law school, LSAC reports somewhere on their site that in their research, the LSAT had a .4 correlation to 1L grades and UGPA has (I believe) a .25 correlation. Statistically speaking then, neither is a very reliable indicator of what you'll do in law school.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Arkansas $$$ v. Miami
« on: November 26, 2007, 03:29:58 AM »
Ark with $$$ or Miami with $0?

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