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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Questions about Golden Gate
« on: April 05, 2010, 10:03:55 PM »
Here it is this is what pissed me off this thread is why I have been posting on here a lot. F'ing idiots who knew nothing about GGU made me terrified to go there and I nearly moved to Michigan based on this thread and numerous other internet postings that terrified me of going to GGU. However, GGU is fine, the two people with experience at the school on this thread said it was good, but instead of listening to them I nearly listened to idiots with no experience with the school talk me into not going. Honestly, if you are considering a tier 4 law school do not listen to what people say any ABA law school will provide you with the proper education to be an attorney. I just looked back at this post and can't believe what people said about GGU who had absolutely no experience with the school it is SHOCKING that people will degrade a school they know nothing about.

NINJA no offense to you, but I am just picking on you at random FSU has 22 people that didn't pass the bar and then 10% of those people didn't even have a job, the rest probably work at McDonald's.  I could say that about FSU and the fact that 22 people didn't pass the bar is true, it does not make FSU a bad school by any means.

Obviously 22 people not passing the bar happens and I am sure no FSU grad is working at McDonald's, but hell maybe they do truth is I don't know, but I won't insult your school and you shouldn't insult a school you nothing about. No offense to Ninja you say a lot of good things, but I am baffled that you and other people that have no experience with a school will insult and scare people away from attending. GGU is a fine school and I have been very happy with it. I wish I had NOT taken things I saw on the internet seriously, when deciding to attend law school and I really hope someone will learn from my mistake and realize ABA schools will give you the proper education to be a lawyer and if you are considering law school DO NOT LISTEN TO NEGATIVE THINGS PEOPLE SAY ABOUT SCHOOLS UNLESS THEY HAVE DIRECT EXPERIENCE THERE. THE END!

I don't try to scare people away from anything, but I don't sugar coat the situation either.

For the purposes of this discussion, because you already went there, I'm just going to discuss FSU v. GGU to illustrate why the buyer should beware about GGU.

If you think 22 of FSU's 314 JDs not passing the bar is a big deal, I'd LOVE to hear what you have to say about 73 of GGU's 203 JDs not passing the bar. Every school has its clunkers, it's a fact (I blame law schools not interviewing during the admissions process). I know some people that are here now and some that have already graduated that will never be attorneys for a number of reasons, but usually it's not academic inability. At GGU, academic inability will be but one of many hindrinces among the student population. Let us not forget that GGU failed out 47 people (including 12 2Ls) in the same time period that FSU failed out 2 1Ls.

Ultimately, law school is what you make of it. The problem with most schools outside of the T2 is that you only have so much to work with. GGU is no exception. You might have had an excellent experience there, congrats, I am honestly happy that you beat the odds. That doesn't change the fact that, in the most recent LSAC numbers, over 1/3rd of GGU's graduates DID NOT PASS THE BAR, which is basically the whole point of going to law school. And that's the problem. For every 1 person FSU fails, 14 are serviced (rounding down). For every 1 person GGU fails, 3 are serviced (rounding up). Law school is a gamble and people in the T4 have the worst odds.

Oh, and FSU is a public school. Even if you get burned, if you're a resident, you're only out about $36k for tuition at FSU. At GGU, you're over $100k upside way down.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Case Western v. Chapman v. MSU
« on: March 04, 2010, 10:34:00 AM »
Case Western, if you can handle Cleveland.

Law School Admissions / Re: Withdrawal on transcript
« on: March 04, 2010, 10:30:54 AM »
One or two Ws won't hurt at all. If you have 10 though, that's another story.

Law School Admissions / Re: Upward trend
« on: March 04, 2010, 10:28:54 AM »
Any particular schools/part of the country you're looking at?

I think a person's exam taking technique and work ethic are the big deals, but I think luck matters to some degree.

Generally, the people that work the hardest and study the smartest (there are a lot of bad ways to study for law school) are going to do the best. And there must be some method to the madness, because a lot of people will almost always perform within a certain range.

That being said, luck most def plays a part. If nothing else, just getting lucky on what comes up on the exam is a big deal. And in my personal experience, it's entirely possible that you'll manage to back your way into a killer grade just by dumb luck or kill yourself for a class and get a crap grade. My best grade in law school so far came in a class that I was almost positive I was going to get a C- or D in. Prof didn't make sense most of the time, the book sucked, I didn't care at all for the material, total mess. I generally didn't like anything about the class and I stopped caring about halfway through the semester. If I went to class, I dicked off on the internet most of the time. Seriously hated the class and worked accordingly. I studied for the final for about 8 hours the night before and that was all. Didn't even outline, just printed off my notes. Easily the least work I've ever put into a law school class. And what do I get for my efforts? Top 10% in that particular class. But then when I bust my ass in a class, never miss a day, do all of the reading, and pay attention the entire time, I drill Cs like its my job. And of course, when I kind of slack off, occasionally skip classes or readings, and generally have a haphazard attitude towards a class, I ball on up to Bs consistently. Makes less than no sense. If it's not luck, both good and bad, I don't know what to call it.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Valpo vs Nova Southeastern
« on: March 04, 2010, 01:03:20 AM »
Any money from either?

What are the conditions on the money? If it's basically guaranteed, take Miami. Otherwise go UNC.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Liberty Law School
« on: March 04, 2010, 12:50:30 AM »


All I can do is smile and nod my head when people like "Ninja" graciously extricate themselves from their Sony Playstations to give advice regarding major life decisions.  Perspective, indeed.

Well aren't you just the wise old man of the river? How's life at your televangelist funded fraud of a law school?

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Liberty Law School
« on: February 07, 2010, 09:26:33 AM »
LU School of Law is not for everyone.  This should be plainly obvious to anyone who visits their website.  It wears on its sleeve a proud and authentic dedication to teaching law according to the traditional Judeo-Christian values on which this country was founded.  If you have no inkling of what that means, or a knee-jerk reaction to what that instruction may contain, then I suggest you look elsewhere.

For a growing slice of students, however, Liberty's focus on traditional values is like a breath of fresh air.  The curriculum is very much focused on interpreting the law in light of the Founding Father's original intent.  There is a healthy skepticism for progressive causes and tactics, especially as it relates to judicial activism and relativism.  And, without a doubt, it is first and foremost a Christian university.  If that rubs you the wrong way then, again, look elsewhere.  If you want to be a ACLU lawyer, this ain't your gig.  But, most importantly, Liberty's focus alone does not make it an inferior school.  That is a tremendously naive position.  Consider:

Faculty, staff, and students are all very dedicated folks.  They WANT to be there, despite the knowledge that they will be ridiculed unfairly, ruthlessly, and without basis (e.g. read the rest of this thread).  This shared desire not only foments an esprit de corps you'd be hard to find at other schools but, most importantly, it attracts professors who are over-qualified for their positions---because they want to come to Liberty specifically.  There are several fed appellate judges on staff, numerous highly qualified attorneys, and, most recently, Ken Blackwell.  [That crash you just heard was yet another over-used stereotype about Liberty shattering.]  Moreover, in terms of post-graduation prospects, LU grads are indeed at a disadvantage relative to T1/T2 schools....unless the employer is Christian.  Yet another way faith pays.  But you have to know the secret handshake.

The facilities are brand-new and top-notch.  The campus includes a scale reproduction of the US Supreme courtroom.  There are two complete trial courtrooms, as well as two interview rooms.  Every classroom is state-of-the-art, no-expense-spared.  I challenge anyone to find a more technologically advanced law school in America today.

The curriculum includes six semesters of Lawyering Skills.  I challenge anyone to show me a law school in America with a similar, much less equivalent, focus on practical lawyering skills.  While a degree from Yale may look great hanging on the wall, I'll bet the average LU grad knows more about the real legal world than 95% of Yale's graduates.  This is borne out by Liberty's performance in the National Negotiation Tournament.  In 2008, Liberty qualified two teams in the National Negotiation Tournament---the first law school to do this in the HISTORY OF THE TOURNAMENT.  In 2009, Liberty Law put two more teams in the finals.  That type of performance simply isn't consistent with the allegations of mediocrity found elsewhere in this thread. 

I left my job as an senior manager at a global manufacturing corporation to attend law school at Liberty.  For those of you content to squabble over arbitrary law school statistics like a couple of pissed-off bookies after game day, I encourage you to gain a little perspective, a modicum of humility, and a healthy dose of maturity.  Attrition rates or no, ideology or no, Liberty Law is graduating some very fine lawyers.  When you meet one in the courtroom, I assure you their anxiety over attrition rates or their spiritual leanings will be the least of your worries. 

I lolled.

Law School Admissions / Re: 3.67 / 169 which california schools?
« on: January 04, 2010, 11:05:28 AM »
You should consider where you might want to practice afterwards.
If want national mobility- Stanford's probably your best bet, followed by Boalt, UCLA and USC.
If you want to be in the Bay area try Hastings or Santa Clara as well.
Davis or McGeorge if you want to go to Sacramento.
Also consider your practice area- with a biochem background, you might want to think about IP and Santa Clara would be a good safety option if you're thinking about IPlaw.

This is lolable.

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