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General Board / Legal Writing...
« on: November 12, 2008, 11:27:30 PM »
Is bull. Thank you, that is all.

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Bar Exam / BarBri Rate Lock In
« on: September 30, 2008, 12:22:55 PM »
Is it worth it to do the rate “lock in” thing with BarBri? Basically, how much should I expect the course fee to go up over the next 3 years? The reason I ask is that I could pay the $100 now to lock in the current rate, but I could really use the money right now and am wondering what kind of a hit I would be looking at down the line, in people's experiences.

Also, right now, the current fee is just a touch under $3k.

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Financial Aid / Loan Availability
« on: September 29, 2008, 12:55:48 PM »
So is anyone else as excited as me to see if they'll still be able to get loans next semester, and especially next year? Given the current economic train wreck, I'm actually starting to think student loans may be hard to come by before too long, and I never seriously thought that would be a problem.

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Where should I go next fall? / Florida State 1L Taking Questions
« on: September 25, 2008, 01:47:30 AM »
This seems to be the popular thing to do as of late. Ask anything about Florida State or Tallahassee that you would like to know. If I don't know the answer, I'll either figure it out or find someone that does.

I'm probably going to bed in a few minutes, but I'll answer any questions as I can.

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General Board / 1st Month Thoughts
« on: September 22, 2008, 09:29:16 PM »
Last Friday marked a month in the game for me, and here's my thoughts, for anyone curious:

2 credits for legal writing is bull. I spend more time on that class than anything else. It should be either ungraded or worth 3-4 credits.

And legal writing seems like a waste of time. Don't get me wrong, it seems valuable, but so much of it is hand holding and covering minutia in intricate detail. It actually reminds me why I never liked any of my English classes in high school or UG.

Most of the gunner-douches have subsided into the background. I suppose a month of getting Socratized will do that to you.

Speaking of which, I've managed to dodge the Socratic bullet so far. Not sure how, but I'm not complaining. Problem is, I know it's coming and I'll probably get hit in 3 different classes in 1 day.

A lot of the people that thought they were Billy Badass and too good for FSU a month ago are the same people that are thinking they'll finish around the median this month. Subsequently, virtually all talk of transferring to GULC+ from them has subsided.

Exams are already starting to freak some people out.

BarBri seems like it's going to be worth every cent, and that's just based on what I have and have not gotten out of my classes so far.

A few people are already starting to mark themselves out as possible law school flunkies, no one is running away with the show, and everyone else seems to just be kind of lumping together in the middle at the moment.

Which is nice because everyone seems pretty helpful to everyone else. There's virtually no poor behavior between people that I've observed so far. People are willing to share notes and talk about things with one another. Seriously not competitive at all right now, but very cooperative.

And that's all for this time, unless I think of something else.

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General Board / 1st Week Thoughts
« on: August 30, 2008, 12:34:25 AM »
My thoughts on the first week of law school:

Civ Pro is the Devil's work. That being said, I see the value in it and the value that comes from knowing it.

I didn't care where in the class I graduated before. I really don't care now.

Honestly, I don't even care if I even finish or not. I'm enjoying myself and whatever happens, happens.

Case briefing is totally overrated.

Outlines are for the weak. I stand by it. ;)

Some law school folks are cool, but even more are socially maladjusted beyond belief.

Law professors are so much better than 99% of your professors from UG. Seriously. All of mine are incredibly intelligent and I hope to be even half as successful and smart as they are.

Law review is an incredibly valuable credential, but only because it's the only chance that you'll have to be hustled the same way most graduate students are.

The workload is heavy, but very manageable.

Much like UG, people will continue to ask incredibly dumb questions about *&^% that should be pretty obvious.

Any class can be good if you have a great professor.

Florida State is, without question, the place for me.

More to follow as I think of it...

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / BOD Final Rankings
« on: July 29, 2008, 09:41:31 PM »
Rank   School   Votes (Last Round In)
         
Final 14

   1    Stanford University Law School    29
   2    The University of Chicago Law School    28
   2    Yale Law School    28
   4    Columbia University School of Law    25
   5    New York University School of Law    20
   6    Northwestern University School of Law    19
   7    Vanderbilt University Law School    18
   8    The University of Michigan Law School    16
   9    University of California, Berkeley, School of Law (Boalt Hall)    13
   10    Arizona State University—Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law    8
   10    University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Law    8
   10    University of Florida, Fredric G. Levin College of Law    8
   13    The George Washington University Law School    6
   14    University of Southern California, Gould School of Law    3

Round 4

   15    University of Pennsylvania Law School    18
   16    Emory University School of Law    15
   16    Harvard Law School    15
   16    University of North Carolina School of Law    15
   19    The University of Texas School of Law    14
   19    Tulane University Law School    14
   19    University of California, Hastings College of the Law    14
   19    University of Minnesota Law School    14
   23    University of Virginia School of Law    13
   24    University of Denver Sturm College of Law    11
   25    University of Wisconsin Law School    10
   25    Washington and Lee University School of Law    10
   27    The Florida State University College of Law    9
   28    Duke University School of Law    8
   28    Rutgers University School of Law—Newark    8
   28    William & Mary Law School    8
   31    Boston College Law School    7
   31    The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law    7
   31    The University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law    7
   34    The University of Alabama School of Law    6
   34    University of Connecticut School of Law    6
   34    University of Washington School of Law    6
   37    Rutgers—The State University of New Jersey—School of Law—Camden    5
   38    Wake Forest University School of Law    4
   39    Brigham Young University—J. Reuben Clark Law School    3
   39    University of California, Davis School of Law (King Hall)    3
   39    University of Kentucky College of Law    3
   42    Washington University School of Law    1

Round 3

   43    Georgetown University Law Center    22
   44    University of Illinois College of Law    16
   45    Fordham University School of Law    13
   45    Lewis & Clark Law School    13
   45    The Thomas M. Cooley Law School    13
   48    Temple University—James E. Beasley School of Law    12
   48    University of Georgia School of Law    12
   48    University of Maryland School of Law    12
   48    University of Nevada, Las Vegas, William S. Boyd School of Law    12
   48    University of San Diego—School of Law    12
   48    University of Tennessee College of Law    12
   54    Louisiana State University, Paul M. Hebert Law Center    11
   54    Penn State University, The Dickinson School of Law    11
   54    University of Hawai‘i at Manoa—William S. Richardson School of Law    11
   57    Cornell Law School    10
   58    Indiana University School of Law—Bloomington    9
   58    Loyola University Chicago School of Law    9
   60    Boston University School of Law    8
   60    Suffolk University Law School    8
   60    University of Houston Law Center    8
   60    University of Missouri—Columbia School of Law    8
   60    University of South Carolina School of Law    8
   60    Villanova University School of Law    8
   66    The University of Kansas School of Law    7
   66    The University of Mississippi School of Law    7
   66    University of Oregon School of Law    7
   66    University of Richmond School of Law    7
   66    Vermont Law School    7
   71    Case Western Reserve University School of Law    6
   71    Indiana University School of Law—Indianapolis    6
   71    Northeastern University School of Law    6
   71    Seton Hall University School of Law    6
   71    University of Colorado Law School    6
   71    University of Nebraska College of Law    6
   77    Baylor University School of Law    5
   77    George Mason University School of Law    5
   77    Howard University School of Law    5
   80    Notre Dame Law School    4
   80    University of Miami School of Law    4
   82    Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Yeshiva University    3
   82    SMU Dedman School of Law    3
   84    University of Pittsburgh School of Law    2

Round 2

   85    Brooklyn Law School    11
   86    American University, Washington College of Law    7
   86    Hofstra University School of Law    7
   86    The Catholic University of America, Columbus School of Law    7
   86    University of Arkansas School of Law - Fayetteville   7
   90    Cleveland State University—Cleveland-Marshall College of Law    6
   90    Syracuse University College of Law    6
   90    University of Arkansas at Little Rock, William H. Bowen School of Law    6
   90    University of Louisville's Brandeis School of Law    6
   90    University of Maine School of Law    6
   95    Loyola Law School, Loyola Marymount University    5
   95    Marquette University Law School    5
   95    Seattle University School of Law    5
   95    The University of Iowa College of Law    5
   95    The University of New Mexico School of Law    5
   95    University of Oklahoma College of Law    5
   101    Michigan State University College of Law    4
   101    Saint Louis University School of Law    4
   101    University of North Dakota School of Law    4
   101    University of the District of Columbia—David A. Clarke School of Law    4
   101    Widener University School of Law - DE   4
   106    Charleston School of Law    3
   106    The University of Akron School of Law    3
   106    University of Dayton School of Law    3
   109    Atlanta's John Marshall Law School    2
   109    Creighton University School of Law    2
   109    Pepperdine University School of Law    2
   112    Loyola University New Orleans College of Law    1

Round 1

   113    Chicago-Kent College of Law, Illinois Institute of Technology    12
   114    City University of New York School of Law    11
   115    Appalachian School of Law    8
   115    Franklin Pierce Law Center    8
   115    The University of Memphis—Cecil C. Humphreys School of Law    8
   115    The University of Toledo College of Law    8
   119    University of Montana School of Law    7
   119    University of the Pacific, McGeorge School of Law    7
   119    University of Utah S.J. Quinney College of Law    7
   122    Albany Law School of Union University    6
   122    California Western School of Law    6
   122    Georgia State University College of Law    6
   122    Quinnipiac University School of Law    6
   122    University of San Francisco School of Law    6
   122    William Mitchell College of Law    6
   128    DePaul University College of Law    5
   128    Florida Coastal School of Law    5
   128    Mississippi College School of Law    5
   128    New York Law School    5
   128    St. John's University School of Law    5
   128    St. Mary's University School of Law    5
   128    Stetson University College of Law    5
   128    Texas Tech University School of Law    5
   128    Touro College—Jacob D. Fuchsberg Law Center    5
   128    University of Baltimore School of Law    5
   128    University of St. Thomas School of Law—Minneapolis    5
   128    Washburn University School of Law    5
   140    Ave Maria School of Law    4
   140    Capital University Law School    4
   140    Chapman University School of Law    4
   140    Drake University Law School    4
   140    Liberty University School of Law    4
   140    Mercer University—Walter F. George School of Law    4
   140    New England School of Law    4
   140    North Carolina Central University School of Law    4
   140    Northern Illinois University College of Law    4
   140    Ohio Northern University—Claude W. Pettit College of Law    4
   140    Pace University School of Law    4
   140    Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico School of Law    4
   140    Roger Williams University School of Law    4
   140    Samford University, Cumberland School of Law    4
   140    Texas Southern University—Thurgood Marshall School of Law    4
   140    Texas Wesleyan University School of Law    4
   140    The John Marshall Law School    4
   140    University of Cincinnati College of Law    4
   140    University of Detroit Mercy School of Law    4
   140    University of Idaho College of Law    4
   140    University of Puerto Rico School of Law    4
   161    Campbell University, Norman Adrian Wiggins School of Law    3
   161    Duquesne University School of Law    3
   161    Faulkner University, Thomas Goode Jones School of Law    3
   161    Florida International University College of Law    3
   161    Gonzaga University School of Law    3
   161    Inter American University School of Law    3
   161    Phoenix School of Law    3
   161    Santa Clara University School of Law    3
   161    South Texas College of Law    3
   161    Southern University Law Center    3
   161    The University of South Dakota School of Law    3
   161    University at Buffalo Law School, The State University of New York (SUNY)    3
   161    University of Missouri—Kansas City School of Law    3
   161    University of Wyoming College of Law    3
   161    Valparaiso University School of Law    3
   161    West Virginia University College of Law    3
   161    Western State University—College of Law    3
   161    Whittier Law School    3
   179    Florida A&M University College of Law    2
   179    Nova Southeastern University—Shepard Broad Law Center    2
   179    Regent University School of Law    2
   179    Southern Illinois University School of Law    2
   179    Southwestern Law School    2
   179    St. Thomas University School of Law    2
   179    The University of Tulsa College of Law    2
   179    Thomas Jefferson School of Law    2
   179    University of La Verne College of Law    2
   179    Wayne State University Law School    2
   179    Widener University School of Law - PA   2
   190    Barry University Dwayne O. Andreas School of Law    1
   190    Golden Gate University School of Law    1
   190    Hamline University School of Law    1
   190    Northern Kentucky University—Salmon P. Chase College of Law    1
   190    Oklahoma City University School of Law    1
   190    Western New England College School of Law    1
   190    Willamette University College of Law    1

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / BOD: Final Round
« on: July 25, 2008, 03:49:29 PM »
Final Round. Everyone has 6 votes. The poll will run for 3 days and there will be no runoffs. Have fun.

 Arizona State University—Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law
 Columbia University School of Law
 New York University School of Law
 Northwestern University School of Law
 Stanford University Law School
 The George Washington University Law School
 The University of Chicago Law School
 The University of Michigan Law School
 University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Law
 University of California, Berkeley, School of Law (Boalt Hall)
 University of Florida, Fredric G. Levin College of Law
 University of Southern California, Gould School of Law
 Vanderbilt University Law School
 Yale Law School

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / BOD Round 4 Results
« on: July 23, 2008, 02:43:34 PM »
Results for Round 4.

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Group 1:

Moving On:

 Vanderbilt University Law School    19

Eliminated:

 University of Virginia School of Law    13
 Brigham Young University—J. Reuben Clark Law School    3

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Group 2:

Moving On:

 The University of Michigan Law School    18

Eliminated:

 Harvard Law School    15
 Duke University School of Law    8

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Group 3:

Moving On:

 Columbia University School of Law    26

Eliminated:

 The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law    7
 Rutgers—The State University of New Jersey—School of Law—Camden    5

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Group 4:

Moving On:

 University of Southern California, Gould School of Law    18

Eliminated:

 University of Denver Sturm College of Law    11
 William & Mary Law School    8

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Group 5:

Moving On:

 University of Florida, Fredric G. Levin College of Law    20

Eliminated:

 University of California, Hastings College of the Law    14
 Rutgers University School of Law—Newark    8

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Group 6:

Moving On:

 University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) School of Law    21

Eliminated:

 The University of Texas School of Law    14
 Washington and Lee University School of Law    10

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Group 7:

Moving On:

 New York University School of Law    20

Eliminated:

 University of Pennsylvania Law School    18
 University of Washington School of Law    6

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Group 8:

Moving On:

 Northwestern University School of Law    29

Eliminated:

 Boston College Law School    7
 Washington University School of Law    1

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Group 9:

Moving On:

 University of California, Berkeley, School of Law (Boalt Hall)    22

Eliminated:

 Emory University School of Law    15
 University of California, Davis School of Law (King Hall)    3

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Group 10:

Moving On:

 Yale Law School    23

Eliminated:

 University of Wisconsin Law School    10
 The Florida State University College of Law    9

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Group 11:

Moving On:

 The University of Chicago Law School    30

Eliminated:

 The University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of Law    7
 Wake Forest University School of Law    4

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Group 12:

Moving On:

 The George Washington University Law School    17

Eliminated:

 University of North Carolina School of Law    15
 Tulane University Law School    14

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Group 13:

Moving On:

 Stanford University Law School    28

Eliminated:

 University of Connecticut School of Law    6
 University of Kentucky College of Law    3

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Group 14:

Moving On:

 Arizona State University—Sandra Day O'Connor College of Law    18

Eliminated:

 University of Minnesota Law School    14
 The University of Alabama School of Law    6


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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / BOD: Round 4, Group 13
« on: July 22, 2008, 03:13:02 PM »
Round 4, Group 13. Everyone has 1 vote and the top school moves on to the final round. The poll will run for 3 days.

 Stanford University Law School
 University of Connecticut School of Law
 University of Kentucky College of Law

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