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I actually got one a month ago from a govt. agency.  She told me how impressed they were with me...

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Tulsa / Re: Tulsa?
« on: February 12, 2010, 01:12:44 PM »
One thing I was intrigued by in Tulsa was that they had a genuine full ride available to people with 159/3.4 or something like that - full ride includes tuition and sizable living stipend (includes room, board, parking and books).  They say law school grades are a crap shoot, but it cant be a total crap shoot since there are objective answers to exam questions and if you studied enough and you are not dumb you will get straight As. I think magna or summa from UofT gotta be worth something.  If it was me (and I was not married and settled for good in Virginia) I would apply and try to get this full ride. I would then become a cloisterer for three years and study day and night.  At the end of the tunnel could be a likely well paid job and no debt.

There is nothing "objective" about law school exams unless they are multiple choice but even then it is arguable.  Often times, professors will use some some weird system of awarding points for issues but then adding check marks and double check marks here and there for insightful things....all in all, it transforms into one of the most arbitrary systems imaginable. 

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Personal Statement / Re: PLEASE CRITIQUE THIS PERSONAL STATEMENT
« on: January 28, 2010, 10:40:29 PM »
Oh...By the way...I really think this statement made by you is very comical..


"I got in with a 3.4/159...Here are some of the other factors:  I had my application in by October, visited the school twice, had great recommendations, speak 3 languages, had a kick-ass personal statement and have had dinner a few times with the woman who is chairing the SMU Law School steering committee.  It also helps that I have a body like Adonis and a movie star smile"
 
PS: You forgot to mention to the woman who is chairing that steering committee what brand of eye brow tweezers you use...

Sorry, I don't get it.  Were you trying to take a jab at me for putting my input in about your personal statement?  It looks like someone seconded my interpretation of your "cliche" PS. 

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Personal Statement / Re: PLEASE CRITIQUE THIS PERSONAL STATEMENT
« on: January 28, 2010, 03:12:58 PM »
I suggest you read Ann Ivey's book on getting into law school...that will give you great info about a personal statement.

With regards to your actual PS, I would omit that pithy quote at the beginning.  Also, I get no sense as to who you are...only that your family has a long lineage of patriotism in this country and that you are as passionate about "democracy" and other noble attributes.  To be honest, this whole PS seems cliche and trite.  You would be better off talking about a particular experience in greater detail and leave to the reader's imagination what you gleaned from it.  I wrote mine about spending a year in Siberia and the comfort I gained from reading a book about a cloistered nun who seemed to have an analagous situation to my own.  Something like that is unique...what you have written is not at all. 

I am not trying to be overly critical of your PS...you just need to be more original because that is the only thing that will make your PS memorable and thus, actually help you in the process (Personal statements generally are not going to make or break your application by the way). 

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I did not attend either of these schools although I did apply to Cardozo and was accepted.  Based on my research of Cardozo, it is a great school.  Although, if you are not at the top of your class, you might have difficulty finding the job you want in NYC.  It will not be as easy as you think to be top of your class...many people enter law school with that misconception.  Cardozo actually has a number of its students that come from top undergraduate schools and so despite its rank, the caliber of its students is comparable to a much higher ranked school.  I have not heard about the high turnover of its faculty although I have heard that it is basically a faculty feeder school for the top law schools (i.e., a young professor will prove him/herself at Cardozo before being offered a tenured position at a more prestigious school).  This is not a bad thing as many of these young professors will be more approachable and likely be researching the more "sexy" law topics. 

I think your decision should really come down to where you want to be...A UC Hastings degree will not help you outside of California and a Cardozo degree will not help outside of NYC/Philly/Boston.  Hope this helps. 

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Tulsa / Re: Tulsa?
« on: January 19, 2010, 06:24:21 PM »
I admire your optimism...unfortunately, though, the school really is not well regarded.  I know three people who went to law school there.  All three of them are still struggling to find permanent employment (one of them graduated 3 years ago and is still doing contract review work in Boulder, CO, another graduated 2 years ago and cannot find a job in any TX DAs office even after passing the bar, the third also graduated 2 years ago and is doing a 1-year stint as a staff attorney for a trial judge in Arkansas.)  These people would have gladly stayed in Tulsa had there been a job for them...there was not though and now they are scattered across the country trying to get something permanent.  Even being at the top of your class coming from that school is going to give you trouble...I think I've been told me that everyone with a 3.2 is guaranteed Law Review?  Frankly, if you get into another school like U of Arkansas or U of Missouri or some other similarly ranked state school, I would go with one of those.  The tuition will be much cheaper and your prospects will be much better.     

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Tulsa / Re: Tulsa?
« on: January 19, 2010, 02:43:11 PM »
To be perfectly honest, the school is horrible and the job prospects are even worse.  If you have no ties to the area, I would not go there.  Furthermore, did you not get in anywhere better?

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Disclose. Disclose. Disclose. 

Check with your university to make sure there was never a disciplinary file created for you as well...the state bar will likely check that as well. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Jobs for 0L?
« on: January 09, 2010, 05:03:18 PM »
Probably not but check craigslist...Also, the career services office at your law school will not help you. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: SMU 1L Taking Questions
« on: January 09, 2010, 04:34:04 PM »

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You got two problems here:

1) They got jobs in Southern California not because of a SMU degree, but because they are "bratty rich kids from the OC."

2) Many, if not most or virtually all people tend to stay and practice in one state, at least for the first 10 years of their career.  After 10 years, where your degree came from is becoming less and less important.
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Wrong.  I am not referring to SMU Law students as being the bratty rich kids from the OC.  In fact, most SMU Law students are as poor as any other...yet they still get jobs around the country.  With respect to your second point, SMU Law students are getting jobs in other parts of the nation immediately following law school.  Where they are in 10 years has no relevance IMO to what I was talking about. 

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