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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL or Tulane?
« on: February 27, 2008, 01:04:17 PM »
I'm not flaming!  Your school doesn't have any money and its city got hit by a hurricane!  Plus it's been a 40s school for the past few years despite its reputation and it's now tied for the lowest ranking in the entire first tier!

And basically, my point is that it's still not that much different than WUSTL, placement-wise.

I don't think this is fair. Tulane can't help that the city was hit by natural disater. I don't think employers will penalize the school for overcoming adversity.

I also don't think it is accurate to say that the school doesn't have any money. By most accounts, it has recovered quite well.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Wake Vs. Georgia
« on: February 27, 2008, 10:35:23 AM »

It is odd

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: GOOD 4 USC/UCLA?????
« on: February 27, 2008, 06:29:42 AM »
I have a 3.7 and a 164 are these good enough to get into those schools????

It's going to be tough, although it is possible. Your LSAT is a few points below the median at both schools.

1) I never said SMU was better at the Texas bar.   I said that SMU trains people to pass the Texas bar.  I don't know how WUSTL does at the Texas bar, so I didn't comment on it.  I supported my argument. 

3) SMU has a 98% employment rate.  They find jobs. LOL!!!!

Jeez. It's scary that people like you are giving advice.

1) If you simply meant to say that SMU does a good job at preparing people to take the bar and did not mean to say that it does a better job than WUSTL, then you are basically saying neither school has a clear advantage over the other in preparing students to take the Texas bar

2) SMU doesn't even publish their "employed at graduation" numbers. Do you know how shady and embarrassing this is? No serious school does this. They are basically saying that so few people are employed at graduation that they would rather not give the number than be humiliated.

The 98% number comes from "employed 9 months after graduation" questionnaire. This number is notoriously inaccurate as it relies on ONLY the people who respond. Moreover, SMU doesn't even publish the percent of people who responded to the questionnaire. It could be 25% of the class. It could be that only the people with jobs responded. Maybe you can find one, but I haven't seen any other school in Teir 1 which doesn't publish their "employed at graduation" numbers and doesn't publish the percent of people who responded to their "employed 9 months after graduation" poll. It's just shady. 

If you believe that garbage "employed 9 months after graduation" figure, you must believe that SainTTTT Mary's Law school has the 92% employment that it claims. I also have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan/Duke/Virginia/Texas$$
« on: February 26, 2008, 10:58:49 PM »
Texas w/$$$

And I'm sure you have a ton of evidence that WUSTL is amazing for the Texas bar.

You're exactly right!  Man you really proved me wrong.  You're gonna make a great lawyer.  Maybe when you're a lawyer you can ignore all the other stuff that other lawyers say.  Kind of like how you ignored everything about the fact that SMU is already in Dallas, he wouldn't have to spend summers away from his wife, he wouldn't have to uproot his family, he would have a considerably smaller debt to pay, etc.

I said that SMU trains people how to pass the Texas bar, which it does. IF YOU WANT TO PRACTICE IN TEXAS THEN YOU NEED TO PASS THE TEXAS BAR.   I don't know, but it seems pretty simple to me.  Ya, looking at the passage rate of the test that determines if you can pratice law in a specific state is terrible advice.  So terrible that law schools advertise it all the time.

And yes, you're right, Fordham grads get jobs over SJU grads.  But I can promise you one thing; a SJU grad who passed the bar is going to have a much easier time getting a job than a Fordham grad who didn't.  Plus it was a bad example on your part from the start.  You suggested two schools that are in the same city as an analogy to SMU and WUSTL.  Enjoy St. Louis.

1) I'm not the one making the claim that one school does a superior job in preparing students for the bar, YOU are. You are supposed to support your claim instead of asking me to prove that some opposing claim is true. Is your best argument to say that SMU does a better job in preparing students to take the Texas because their is no proof that it doesn't?

2) By your logic, OP should attend SMU over Yale becuase SMU trains people how to pass the Texas bar.

3) What does it matter if SMU grads pass the Texas bar and then can't find jobs. The employment aspect is so much more important than bar passage.

I live in Texas and know a lot about SMU. Bottom line is that the scholly at SMU might make it a more attractive option than WUSTL. But it's important for the OP to know that your bar passage theory is BS and should have no impact on the decision.


I would add Texas to the list.

You're out of your mind.  All I said was SJU has a higher bar passage rate.  I never said it was better than Fordham.  I never said SMU was better than WUSTL.  I said SMU is in Dallas, he wants to live in Dallas, they train people how to be Dallas lawyers, he'll get hometown connections while in law school instead of being hundreds of miles away.

Seriously, how is the weather in St. Louis?

I'm out of my mind because I challange posters who give half-baked advice? By your account, you never said SMU was better than WUSTL, just that it was better for people looking to pass the Texas bar. Yet there is NO support for the assertion that SMU prepares students better for the bar.

I have no strong interest in seeing the OP go to SMU or WUSTL, but I don't like when obviously ignorant posters offer terrible advice like looking at Bar Passage Rates and self-reported employment info.

All he said was that SMU does a better job of training students to pass the bar.  That's all he said.  It isn't idiotic.  He didn't say it's a better law school.

And you're right; SJU does a better job of training students to pass the NY bar than Fordham does (89% to 88%).  It doesn't matter how much higher Fordham is ranked, SJU still does a better job at bar passage.

He didn't say SMU was a better education, he said the students were more equiped to pass the bar and he is right.

What evidence has he provided that SMU does a better job of training students to pass the bar?

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