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Law School Admissions / Re: Masters degree help?
« on: March 20, 2008, 11:06:58 AM »
How much does having an MBA from a top 20 school help admission? I had a low GPA from undergrad but got into USC School of business and graduated on deans list in 2001. Now I want to go back to law school. Does the MBA pull any weight in admissions? They always list "advanced degrees" in the incoming student info.

Yes, it will help. It's an excellent soft factor, but it cannot erase your undergrad GPA

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: WUSTL New 4yr Program?
« on: March 20, 2008, 11:04:38 AM »
I read about this program on the Admissions Consultant Blog. If I undersatnd the program correctly, I think that people who finish this program will be certified to practice law not only in the U.S. and Europe, but also between the two. I think this would be a unique opportunity to be marketable to multi-national BigLaw firms or businesses that operate in both the US and Europe.

Take another look at the data. There were 200 graduates (which the current spreadsheet does not tell you), with a 98% employment rate after 9 months. That, clearly, leaves us with the 196 employed graduates listed.

Of the 196, TheDecider and I tracked down the starting salaries of 60% of the class. Another 15% of the class had clerkships, and presumably most (if not all) could have had the same paying jobs as their classmates because they were "good enough" to become clerks. Now, not all the clerks are prestigious positions, so just how many of those 15% remains controversial. Nevertheless, I'm pretty assured that a good portion of them were "good enough" based on the breakdown given at the ASW (9 court of appeals, 14 distict, 3 state supreme court, etc).

So while 40% of the salaries are unaccounted for, 3/8ths of those are clerks (that's a very good thing), and the remaining are not working at McDonald's or Starbucks. They have firm jobs that are not reported in the same way as the ones we uncovered.

Wow. You really did a lot of work on this project. Vandy is lucky to be getting you.  ;D

That was cool of Vandy to give the employment information, but isn't it unusual to not have employment info for 40% of the class? I am always wary that most of the people who report are the ones with good jobs and the rest are bums who are too lazy/embarrassed to reply that they have no job. It seems like total employment situation (especially for those in the bottom half) is hard to discern when about half the class doesn’t report.  

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Columbia and NYU
« on: March 18, 2008, 06:47:22 AM »
How deep does biglaw go through the class at these schools?

Conventional wisdom says V100 goes about 80% into Columbia and 65% into NYU. If you were willing to work at any BigLaw firm, I imagine you might be able to get a job nomatter where you were ranked in the class at eihter school.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: NYU or Georgetown?
« on: March 18, 2008, 06:42:17 AM »
NYU actually has amazing international law programs. There is a big enough difference between the two schools to choose NYU over Georgetown


assuming you did not apply to Fordham, W&L. Illinois essentially has zero placement in the NYC area, while W&L has a much bigger footprint. Most W&L students dont go to NYC out of personal choice-- they want to stay in VA or NYC. But, with a class of like 120 people, it places at least 10-20% in nyc big law jobs. Illinois places exceedingly few people in NYC, and they are likely the top of their class or have some compelling connections/family connects there to make it happen.

Almost totally inaccurate.  W&L sends about 25% of their class to biglaw of any sort in any city.  They maybe send 5-10 students a year to NY state.

Here, class of 2006, 12 students in any jobs in NY/NJ/PA:
EDIT: 7 in NY state. About 5% of the class.

True, Illinois does not have a big presence in NYC, but neither does W&L.

Good point. It's also important to note that those 7 who end up in NY state might not all be in BigLaw or even in the private sector. The information available supports the idea that neither W&L or Illinois is a decent choice for NYC.
You don't read LSD very often...You find multiple threads on here talking about lawfirmaddicts numbers on W&L. They missed out on a few years of unfortunately their results are misleading(they also mention this).
But nice work anyway.

On another note, how do you know whether or not 25% of the class chose big law? or 30% or 50%? you just don't know? Not everyone elects biglaw, especially at a self-selecting school like W&L.
Please end the W&L Flaming.

I don't see any flaming here. It seems like TRATPS and Donwario have used every source that they could find. You weren't happy with Martindale-Hubbard, you weren't happy with LawAddict, and you don't even like the stats from W&L's own website. It's obvious not many lawyers in NYC are from W&L. Just check the website of a few NYC BigLaw firms. It's virtually impossible to find a W&L grad at any of them. To be fair, there are hardly any from Illinois either. Does this mean W&L can't place there? We don't know. Does this mean Illinois can't place there? We don't know.

The point is that both schools have a tiny number of graduates working in NY.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Stanford or take the money?
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:14:27 AM »
I would choose Stanford with the options presented so far.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Michigan or Georgetown?
« on: March 04, 2008, 08:12:25 AM »
I know that Michigan is higher ranked but is it that big of a difference from Georgetown?

One big difference is size.

Just thought I'd get your opinions.  If you were offered 30k a year how much would NYU or CLS have to offer you (if any) in order to get you to attend if you did not care where you practiced.  (A big-law job would be preferable)


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