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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: February 21, 2008, 06:29:49 PM »
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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: February 21, 2008, 06:28:58 PM »
Something I thought I would mention here that I was reminded of today. Go to the school where you  think you will be happiest, I say, personally that's probably the most important aspect to choosing a school. Once your there, the rank won't matter, Yale or Cooley, if you hate your life/loath getting up every day for school the rank is not going to keep you happy during what can be a miserable experience at times.

Today I am in a particularly crappy mood, I have to be at my computer by 6AM on Thursdays for my biz. I did not want to go to school tonight, the class I'm in goes slower than the second coming, and I'm not in the mood for it or the next one. Plus because of other commitments I'll be here till 9:45PM tonight. I was basically in a poo mood when I got here.

Well with in two minuets three people came up to me and said hi. Before I got to the doors I saw two friends with big smiles on their faces who want to chat with me. On my way to class three people said hi to me by name, a professor I had 1L class with came up and shook my hand asked me how I was doing ect. People's whose names I don't know waved and smiled. And I'm a commuter student, I don't hang out at school much, but people still treat you like an old friend here.

The point is as much as I hate Thursday nights at school, my classmates, friends, colleagues, and professors make it worth it even when I don't want to be here. Here at least people are nice and friendly, and they can make a bad day a better one. I'm sure its like that at other schools as well, I'm also sure its not like that at some schools.

Being happy with your school and your classmates can and will make law school a much better experience overall. Law school will suck at times, it will be stressful at times, it will depress you at times, it will make you want to quite sometimes, liking your school and your classmates is what makes all that crap bearable when it comes.

Invest at least some of the energy you put into choosing school on something more than numbers, visit the school, talk to students, talk to your potential classmates, see what kind of "vibe" you get.  I don't care what schools you are looking at, if you don't feel comfortable there, your going to regret going there later. Its days like this when I'm really glad I'm at DU, my classmates make up for me hating life on Thursdays. As soon as I got here my angst went away as I saw my friends, that makes it all worth it.

I appreciate the post Matthies. Interestingly enough I logged on to post on this page how confused I was about where to attend. One of my professors today asked if he could write a letter of recommendation for me. I told him that I had four people write one, so there weren't any more spots, and I had already gone complete. But I did give him the admissions number to call at Colorado. We'll see how that turns out.

So it was refreshing to hear some good things about Denver, because I have already been admitted there. But my question about your post is this: how much does the school matter? While I do acknowledge that the surroundings and weather of an area do affect my happiness, I don't think much else does. Let me give a disclaimer, obviously if I was in an abusive relationship or something I would be unhappy, but I don't have, or anticipate to have, anything like that happening. I think the biggest contributing factor to my happiness is how I am living my life. I think, hopefully, I will live my life the same regardless of which school I go to. I also think that people are largely the same everywhere. I assume I would be greeted at Colorado also. When I visited DU a couple of years ago I was blown away by how friendly everyone was, but I don't anticipate Colorado to be much different. So how much does a school really matter?

I am not trying to cast doubt on your posts, I am honestly asking for an answer. I don't see it, but I would love to!

If I get accepted to CU it will be an EXTREMELY hard choice. Especially after I saw that the difference between instate tuition and out of state is 14,000 dollars. That is almost how much I am getting from Denver. And after that instate break the tuition is only 16,000. That is extremely tempting. I have no idea what I will do, assuming I actually get in  :-\

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver- MyWeb
« on: February 19, 2008, 04:14:44 PM »
Thank God... just got my email a couple hours ago... I'm in! :D

Congrats! Did you apply to Colorado also? I am guessing by the BUFFLOVER avatar that you did.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: February 19, 2008, 01:30:42 PM »
Just to offer some variety of opinion...I'm going to go against the trend and just say it: If you get into CU, you should go there over DU--in spite of the $$$.
1. You have a family and Boulder is a great place for families--excellent public schools, lots of kid-friendly activities, great public transport and nice, affordable homes for rent in North and South Boulder (10 minutes by *free* bus to campus). Denver has a few of those things, maybe.
2. In-state tuition after the first year regardless of how you do in law school. Nobody really knows how they'll do in law school. Even if you start out well, a family emergency or illness could cause your grades to drop and you'd lose your scholarship. Then you're low in the class and paying full price--all the benefits of DU evaporate. See this anecdote:
3. CU may have a less overwhelming alumni presence than DU, but CU's reach extends beyond Denver. The school is well-regarded and the bar pass results speak for themselves. The new building is gorgeous and will only boost CU's selectivity and reputation over the years. I'm a CO native and I've never heard this "DU is more prestigious" bit before--maybe because I'm not from Denver?

DU is a good choice if you can stay at the top of your class. CU is good even if you can't (and it's great if you can). To me, that makes CU the safer bet.

In any case, I hope you get to make the choice between the two!

I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't agree with almost any aspect of #1 though. I think Denver has all of those things and more.

I agree with #2, and that is tempting.

I agree with many premises of #3 but would have to say that I only care about job opportunities in Denver, because that is where I want to practice. But everything else I agree with, especially the prestige part.

But I think your first line "I am just going to say it" makes it sound like it is a forgone conclusion, which I do not think it is at all. I don't think the choice between Denver and Colorado is a simple choice, especially when you throw 15,000 a year in the equation, including 1L. That complicates things a great deal. Also, with the scholarship you have to maintain a 3.0 GPA. That is where the median is, so you have to be in the top 50% of your class. I think the VAST MAJORITY of people they give scholarships to are in the top 50% of the class. Yes, emergencies could complicate this, but I don't think the chance that something might happen is worth throwing away 20,000 dollars of avoided debt.

But I think you did say some things that were clearly a good thing to consider.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver- MyWeb
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:55:49 AM »
Visit this page, there are some beautiful pictures:

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:51:26 AM »
Here are some nice pics of DU's law school:

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver- MyWeb
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:49:52 AM »
Visit this page:

There are some great photos of the law school. DU's webpage doesn't have many good pictures of their own school, at least that I could see, so I thought I would post these.

Law School Admissions / Re: University of Denver- MyWeb
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:34:44 AM »
I am bald, it is hard to miss!

And by the way, this room is gorgeous!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: U. Colorado or U. Denver? Help!!
« on: February 19, 2008, 09:22:31 AM »

What a gorgeous foyer. I love that building!

Law School Admissions / Re: The Law School Laptop
« on: February 18, 2008, 04:16:07 PM »
So I work for Apple and I think the air if for a very niche group. I think if it was someone's primary computer they could go a much different route and get much more for much less. The portability is pretty much the only thing that is great about Macbook Airs (that said, it is the only thing good about it, and it is INCREDIBLE how small they made it). The multi-touch is nice but I am pretty positive they are just going to do a software update to enable the other Macbooks to do the same thing.

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