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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Colorado
« on: March 26, 2008, 02:54:26 PM »

Eeks...Mea culpa, mea culpa.  This is what happens when you have a Mainer reporting on Western schools.  ;)

A Mainer! I feel like Maine is sort of a Western state...I love Maine about as much as I love Colorado.

I am from Maine and I have lived in Denver before and desperately want to get in to CU. Colorado is gorgeous, has nice weather for a place that has winter, and has a good amount of people in it (unlike Maine).

But I haven't heard from CU yet. I am driving out there tomorrow morning to check out Boulder. I lived in Southern Denver for two years but I never went to Boulder.

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I think two year drops are more interesting than one, because then it is almost a trend. For instance, BYU has dropped 12 over the last two years. Denver has dropped 16 I believe, San Diego has also dropped a ton over two years.



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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 25, 2008, 02:22:10 PM »
Matthies and somanyquestions, you guys/girls are current students. What would you guess the average starting salary is for people working in firms? I am just curious. I have been reading some recent threads on the impossibility of making it financially with a T2 starting salary. I was just curious, as you guys actually probably hear these statistics from your classmates.

No, I don't hear this from my classmates, or people who actually go to law school (a few maybe, but I think its the fualt of the individual, not the school; see below for fiding job results). Its 0L's who spout this BS. I personally know people with $125k offers (about average for big law in Denver), some in the 80-100kk range, and some in the 50-80k range and some PI jobes, like PD in the 35k range.

Most of the poeple I know with offers now are in the 50-80k range, with the lower salerys going to fresh from UG and the higer going to those with work experince before law school. Its all what you make of it of job search wise, the more proactive you are in your job search the more options you will have, the more reactive the less options you will have. The good jobs are out there but many are NOT advertised at all. If your in the top 30% of your class your job search is "easier" in that you can rely on OCI/mass mailing (reactive job searching, but limted to just what is advertised or offered), if not it just means you need to network (which 90% of law students really suck at)- proactive job searching, meeting pople and geting inside tips on jobs others don't know about. If you network AND have good grades, finding a good job is really easy.

The problem is, at least as I have seen, many, many, if not most, law students take a very re-active route to finding a job, let the employers hold all the cards(ie pick amoung the very best that applied to thier ad/oci) and when this fails, or does not offer the results they think they deserve, they blame thier school. Going to law school, unfortunetly, does not make you real world job hunting smart. Some folks just plain suck at taking the iniative, those poeple have worse results than those that grab for the brass ring.

That is what I was thinking. It is good to hear it from someone though. I wouldn't be depressed with an 80K job out of law school, assuming I am relatively high in the class.

I am really stoked to go visit the school this week. Matthies, are you going to be on the student panel :)?

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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 25, 2008, 01:31:04 PM »
Matthies and somanyquestions, you guys/girls are current students. What would you guess the average starting salary is for people working in firms? I am just curious. I have been reading some recent threads on the impossibility of making it financially with a T2 starting salary. I was just curious, as you guys actually probably hear these statistics from your classmates.

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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 23, 2008, 11:20:24 AM »
Lincoln Pointe is brand new, and seems very nice.  It is on the east side of I-25. The light rail and most shopping is on the west side of I-25.

I live at AMLI, and it is pretty quiet and nice.  I walk to the train when the weather is nice. 

How much is AMLI a month? I think we are going to pay 1030 for three bedrooms at Lincoln Pointe. Also, which is further from the lightrail, AMLI or Lincoln Pointe. I have googled earthed Lincoln Point and it looks like it is about a half a mile or less, but you have to go over/under the highway to get there. But the 25 minute commute sounds awesome, and then I wouldn't need to use a car or pay the gas. It sounds quite nice.


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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 22, 2008, 03:08:52 PM »
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.

I take the light rail everyday from Lincoln Station.  If you are thinking of renting, there are several places right around Lincoln Station that would allow you to walk to the train, or have an extremely short drive.  It takes a little bit less than 35 min to get to the University stop.  I leave Lincoln on the 5:03, and get to University on by 5:25 or so. 

Let me know if you have any questions about living in the Lone Tree area!

My wife and I are thinking about renting at Lincoln Pointe. Have you heard about it? We are going to go and see the apartments next week.

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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 22, 2008, 12:21:05 AM »
I called right after I was accepted and asked them to up my scholarship. They said to call back after seat deposits.

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Law School Applications / Re: Multiple Seat Deposits?
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:39:56 AM »
Then the waitlist will be used only when people withdraw after having put down a deposit because they have been taken off the waitlist at another school. Instead of people putting down deposits on two or three schools they have already been admitted to and just taking a long time to decide, it will be only for people who have been taken off the waitlist at other schools. That will reduce the amount of people withdrawing after depositing and it will greatly reduce the size of the waitlist.

That's a win-win for everyone, except for the indecisive that can't make a choice.

And, as I said before, the people who have real-life circumstances that may dictate after deposit deadlines where they can move.

Besides this, the vast majority of school say nothing about cross-depositing in their acceptances and applicants, therefore, have no obligation to not do so.

You're missing the point about waitlists.  Schools waitlist and defer people and then you act as though they can place some kind of moral imperative on us to make our final decision at a certain time, which can be before we've heard from other schools or their financial aid offers.

See that's the thing, with the new policy both the other schools and their financial aid officers will be able to complete everything a little sooner. Of course, it is only the first year of the policy, so schools are going to take a few years, but if it is followed it should produce faster results all around. Like in a couple of years schools should have financial aid and acceptances/rejections figured out a month before seat deposits.

I am not missing the point about waitlists, I am saying the process will speed things up and make more definitive waitlists and entering classes, both of which are true. It is a good new policy, and once schools start really utilizing it all will benefit.

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Law School Applications / Re: University of Denver
« on: March 21, 2008, 04:33:42 AM »
About places to live. Highlands Ranch would probably be expensive for housing. It is about 10 miles away. It would be a great place to live with a family though. I am probably going to rent there. Also, there is a light rail stop on Lincoln Ave, so you could take the lightrail. I think the website estimates times to DU from that stop at 35 minutes if I remember correctly. I think that is perfect because you don't have to worry about driving and it is long enough that you can study some each way.

I haven't spoken with any snobby admissions officers yet, there have been some seemingly uninformed ones, but none have been snobby. Then again, CU says don't contact them, so I really don't know about them as they do not allow communication  :)

I really want to hear back from CU though. The wifey and I are coming out in a week for ASW, and I am going to visit both schools and try to "feel out" the best pick. I really want the CU admit though.

But how I love Denver.

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Law School Applications / Re: Multiple Seat Deposits?
« on: March 20, 2008, 01:34:49 PM »
Then the waitlist will be used only when people withdraw after having put down a deposit because they have been taken off the waitlist at another school. Instead of people putting down deposits on two or three schools they have already been admitted to and just taking a long time to decide, it will be only for people who have been taken off the waitlist at other schools. That will reduce the amount of people withdrawing after depositing and it will greatly reduce the size of the waitlist.

That's a win-win for everyone, except for the indecisive that can't make a choice.

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