« on: March 25, 2008, 10:05:53 PM »
looks like there was a ton of movements for several schools...
Messages - HastingsOneL
You're right, both schools place well in California with Davis having an edge in Sacramento and Hastings having an edge in San Francisco. You are incorrect, however, that the environment at Hastings is more competitive than other law schools, including Davis. That may have been true at one time (90's?), but not anymore. If you want to work in SF both schools will work well, but Hastings does have an edge... not to mention a larger and stronger alumni network nationwide. I cannot stress enough that Hastings is not a hotbed for competitive gunners types.. that is simply misguided lore from another era.
Evaluate both schools based on employment prospects upon graduation and opportunities while enrolled.
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« on: March 24, 2008, 04:22:53 AM »
If everyone offered your perspective it'd be an easy decision. I just gotta wonder why I hear all the things I posted about Hastings not from one person, but from multiple people. I agree the guy from the 90s might not know what Hastings is like now, but the others are current Hastings students or people who are at other law schools currently. I'm really trying to like Hastings. I'm a Bay Area native as I said, so I know SF > every other city in America, and maybe the world... I really believe that.
Sorry if my post came across as a personal attack, that was not my intention. It's just upsetting to hear about a cutthroat environment that simply does not exist (at least does not exist disproportionally to any other law school).
I think the cutthroat lore is just something passed down between each successive admission pool despite a lack of 'proof.' Most of the cutthroat talk when I applied and researched schools between 2005 and 2007 came from people that never attended the school, but were passing the info along as a service. I suspect that this is probably still the case. If you are still in the Bay Area I'd be glad to give you a personal tour of the campus and act as an intermediary and introduce you to real students...
« on: March 24, 2008, 03:48:13 AM »
generally, when people refer to T1, T2, T3, T4, they are talking about the first 50, second 50, third 50, and whatever's left on the USNWR rankings. there are people who argue that T1 should be understood as the top 25 or the top 14 (there's a group known as the top 14 for some bizarre reason), but people generally refer to those as T25 or T14.
This is essentially correct for the tiers, though I believe T3 and T4 do not have exactly 50 schools. As for the top 14 schools, when I applied to law school legend has (had?) it that they have always been in the top 14...
« on: March 24, 2008, 03:41:44 AM »
thebiggdawg55: All the classrooms are very nice and modern with power outlets for you laptop for every seat. Wifi over the whole campus, yes. The library just underwent an extensive renovation and is less than 1 year old. it's pretty sweet. The My one complaint is that it the classrooms do have a bit of an institutional feel... lots of white. but almost everything (computers, library, classrooms, refrigerators, microwaves, bathrooms) is new. The one thing that is NOT new are the lockers. Functionally the lockers are 100% fine, but they are a funky brown or green color. yuck.
DLNY: (In addition to information from the post below yours) Give the career services office a call and see what kind of employment opportunities await. The Alumni Network at UCH is one of the largest and strongest in the country.
Please don't forget that UC Hastings is connected with a larger institution called the University of California, just not an undergraduate campus. Lawyers nationwide are familiar with UC Hastings and lawyers are responsible for hiring at firms. If you need recognition from someone outside the legal world to validate your choice in law schools, then feel free to factor BCS rankings, basketball programs, and mascots into your choice.
« on: March 24, 2008, 03:23:12 AM »
Why do you think Hastings will be "3 years in hell?" I don't know a lot about the school, but you're in the middle of one cf the coolest cities in the world.
A lot of the facts in this post are inaccurate and I am jumping in to set the record straight (at least from this Hasting 1L's perspective).
1) Rigor. Yes the grading curve is rough, but it's not really a big deal (except for the ego). Employers know you cannot compare grades from school to school so they take the curve into account. As for the talk about Hastings being super competitive, that is just silly. It was probably competitive at one point in time (90's?)... but not any more. My section is pretty laid back and people share class notes freely. Based on my discussions with friends at other bay area schools, Hastings is as competitive, or less competitive. It's rigorous, not cutthroat. This is law school, not undergrad, and you will have to deal with rigor no matter what law school you choose.
2) Campus life. Beer on the beach is every other week, not monthly. The student organizations are very active and there are tons of things to do. There is a lot to do within the campus community: sports (soccer, basketball), every week there is a bar review type thing sponsored by a student orgs... there are pizza parties, ice cream socials, bingo, talks, and all sorts of crap all the time (e.g. weekly). The campus life is very active.... As for the tenderloin, you are on the EDGE of the tenderloin, not dead center so that is a false comparison. Also, SF as a whole is a fantastic and diverse city.
3) Stand alone school. While Hastings does have a mascot (the Shark), you are correct about the lameness of not being attached to an undergrad institution. well said. I really wish we were associated with an undergrad institution. rooting for the soccer club to beat Boalt or Stanford's soccer club is simply not the same as real college sports.
4) ?? If your friends are turning down Hastings for lower ranked schools, I would consider getting new friends. USD grads cannot compete with those at the mid-bottom of Hastings' class. Sorry, but the Hastings name travels well throughout the State (and to a less degree nationally). Other, lower ranked schools like USD, do not have the same name recognition. The top few percentage points of USD grads can compete with us, but beyond that it's not even close.
In sum, I chose Hastings over other similarly ranked schools (+/- 15 spots), and am glad I did so. UC Hastings prepares you for legal practice and gives you the theoretical training necessary to perform well in many situations. Our alumni network is one of the strongest in the nation and the opportunities available to Hastings grads are competitive with other schools within the State and Nation. The students are phenomenal and I'm glad to associate myself with such a diverse group of intelligent and accomplished students. I don't mind when people weigh characteristics of law schools, but please make sure you have the correct facts and are not relying on decade old information.
Hopefully this helps some of those wandering 0Ls out there.. feel free to PM me or post in this thread. I don't check LSD very often, but I will do my best to keep an eye on this thread for the next few weeks.
« on: October 25, 2007, 11:53:40 PM »
The location of the school is at the very outer edges of the Tenderloin so it's really not that bad where we're at as long as you don't stray a couple blocks north. Going east or west on McAllister is fine since Market is the next street south. I honestly have never felt threatened. You'll learn soon enough what streets not to walk down on certain times of the night. Other than that, I agree with lawgirl. Just be smart and you'll do okay.
The school is housed in two buildings. One building (198) is mostly classrooms and the other building (200) has administrative offices, faculty offices and our brand new three floor library (which is awesome). Both have lots of study space.
Here is a link to both of them. The 200 building is on the left and the 198 building is on the right. Down the street is student housing located in "the Tower."
There are a bunch of good spots to eat in the immediate area (sandwiches, pizza, mexican, etc.) Also, muni is one block away which will get anywhere within the city.