« on: March 25, 2008, 10:05:53 PM »
looks like there was a ton of movements for several schools...
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If everyone offered your perspective it'd be an easy decision. I just gotta wonder why I hear all the things I posted about Hastings not from one person, but from multiple people. I agree the guy from the 90s might not know what Hastings is like now, but the others are current Hastings students or people who are at other law schools currently. I'm really trying to like Hastings. I'm a Bay Area native as I said, so I know SF > every other city in America, and maybe the world... I really believe that.
What I did make clear is the Hastings grads get amazing jobs. There is a consensus on that. Some people don't care about all the silly nit picky things I care about. If so Hastings is a great choice. I'm just not sure if it's right for me. Didn't mean to come across as anti-Hastings (as life would have it I'll probably have a change of heart in a week and become a Hastings troll).
And LMAO at the Hastings mascot being a Shark. How fitting.
generally, when people refer to T1, T2, T3, T4, they are talking about the first 50, second 50, third 50, and whatever's left on the USNWR rankings. there are people who argue that T1 should be understood as the top 25 or the top 14 (there's a group known as the top 14 for some bizarre reason), but people generally refer to those as T25 or T14.
Why do you think Hastings will be "3 years in hell?" I don't know a lot about the school, but you're in the middle of one cf the coolest cities in the world.
I love San Fran. I grew up in the Bay Area. I might be the biggest 49ers fan in the world. Unfortunately, despite that, a lot of things make me wary of Hastings:
1) Alumni and current student reactions. I've talked to people who are current students at Hastings, as well as one of their former student body President's, and I always hear basically the same thing. "It's cutthroat" "The grading curve is one of the toughest in the nation." "The school is intense." "A lot of the students are assholes." "You can feel the competition by just being there". Only the former prez mentioned all the times he got drunk with fellow students... after he mentioned the "super competitive" atmosphere.
2) Another thing I heard was "There isn't really a campus life". The former prez did acknowledge that the lack of campus life (other than their 'beer at the beach' event once a month) wasn't as bad as it may seem, because you can hang out at other people's apartments and you have all of San Fran, "The City", as it is called, at your disposal. That would be cool, but having lived in SF my whole life, it's kind of a 'been there, done that' deal in my case. Also, the 'campus' is just two buildings and the tower of dorms. As soon as you leave one of these buildings you are in the Tenderloin, ie the hood. It's the shadiest part of SF. I'm not a big fan of that fact.
3) The school is not attached to a large scale university. Most law students don't care about this. Many even prefer it, because there are 'no stupid undergrads' around to actually enjoy their lives and cause noise that would distract from studying. For me, this is huge. Even though my undergrad was a large public school, it was set up in a way that made it contrary to the 'college experience'. The biggest thing was there were no D1 sports, no football team, and no greek row. This had a HUGE negative effect on student morale. I don't need a greek row at this point in my life, but few things in the world make me happier than football. It's hard to explain to someone who isn't into sports, or even a casual fan. Football is my life outside of school. At one point I even wanted to be a coach. And it keeps me centered. I always perform best academically when I am surrounded by football. I KNOW that I will perform better at an institution with a football team to help release my stress on Saturdays. That's just the way I am. Hastings, being a stand alone law institution, doesn't even have a MASCOT to my knowledge. I'd hate to have no pride in my undergrad AND law school, being a person who is very prideful in his affiliations.
4) I always hear of students turning down Hastings for lower ranked schools, which is odd. In the past year I have met four students who chose T2 USD over Hastings, citing quality of life as their main concern. US News wise that is a 50 spot drop. I've talked to them since then (one is a 1L, the others are 3Ls) and they are ALL CONVINCED THEY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION. That's kinda scary. I'd pick Hastings over USD every day of the week, so it's a little disconcerting that all these kids are taking lower ranked schools over Hastings and doing so with a smile on their face.
Hastings grads do get amazing jobs though, like the OP said. If you go there you're pretty set. If you don't care about all the things I do, Hastings will put you on a great career path.
The location of the school is at the very outer edges of the Tenderloin so it's really not that bad where we're at as long as you don't stray a couple blocks north. Going east or west on McAllister is fine since Market is the next street south. I honestly have never felt threatened. You'll learn soon enough what streets not to walk down on certain times of the night. Other than that, I agree with lawgirl. Just be smart and you'll do okay.
Is the school one building? What is the food like in the surrounding area?