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Law School Applications / Re: UC Hastings
« on: April 20, 2008, 12:35:26 AM »
Don't they have an online status checker?  When I applied it said "Decision -- Accepted" or something similar. 

They don't have a status checker anymore. It's all done by snail mail these days. Smart move by Hastings, since people are using the internet less than ever these days.

Smoke signals for next cycle?

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Law School Applications / Re: UC Hastings
« on: April 19, 2008, 09:58:29 PM »
Don't they have an online status checker?  When I applied it said "Decision -- Accepted" or something similar. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UC Hastings 1L taking questions
« on: April 09, 2008, 04:38:58 PM »
I have a question too-
Its been said Hastings has a very harsh curve.. anyone know exactly what that is? And also, what roughly are the grades for those who fall around top 30%, 50% and do students at Hastings think it is particularly difficult to fall around those numbers?

http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files/Academics/regs.pdf

B. Grade Normalization


1001. Grades in GPA courses: B- and above. In all GPA courses, 65 to 80 percent of the grades in each class should be B- or above. (As defined in §901, a GPA course is a course in which a grade is given primarily on the basis of an anonymously graded exam.) With respect to first-year classes, neither the Academic Dean nor the Records Office shall accept a grade sheet that fails to meet this requirement.

1002. Grades in GPA courses: A- and above. In all GPA courses, 10 to 20 percent of the grades given should be in the A range (A-, A, A+). The grade of A+, although rare, may be granted to reward superlative performance in any course. (As defined in §901, a GPA course is a course in which the grade is given primarily on the basis of an anonymously-graded exam.) With respect to first-year classes, neither the Academic Dean nor the Records Office shall accept a grade sheet that fails to meet this requirement.

1003. Grades in non-GPA courses, seminars and LWR. In all non-GPA courses, seminars and Legal Writing and Research, 10 to 33-1/3 percent of the grades should be in the A range (A-, A, A+) and the median grade shall be a B. The grade of A+, although rare, may be granted to reward superlative performance in any such course. (Non-GPA courses are defined in §901 as courses in which a grade is given primarily on the basis of student performance other than on an anonymously-graded exam.)

1004. Grades of C, D, and F. After satisfaction of the grade normalization requirements set forth in §§1001-1003, the distribution of grades of C (C+, C, C-), D, and F is at the instructor’s discretion. Student performance that is unsatisfactory, however, should be assigned a grade of C- or lower. Student performance that is unsatisfactory and falls substantially below the performance of the other students in the class should be assigned a grade of D or F.

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I visited Hastings and liked the school. I think despite being in a relatively low end neighborhood its still an inspirational place to study the law (lots of government buildings, courts etc around). I know a few really intelligent students/friends that went to Hastings. From what i've heard, its a great regional school and holds its own in Northern Cali. Its definitely the fourth best school in the state after Stanford/Boalt/UCLA/USC. I would recommend it...but Pepperdine can also provide you with a good career so do what feels right.

I think your three years at Pepperdine will be more enjoyable and the difference in career prospects and opportunities will be minimal. Going to Hastings wont open too many doors and going to Pepperdine wont shut many. I think what really matters is that you perform well in either school and it will be your high achievements that will open the doors for you not the school (in a Hastings vs. Pepperdine case).

In light of that, I would say go to Pepperdine. The students there are much less cut throat and the general feel of the campus will lessen the stress of a 1L. Its also a huge advantage to go to a law school affiliated with a much larger institution (in my opinion). I think Pepperdine is also a rising star in the legal world and Hastings has struggled to elevate itself in the past decade (things to consider).

At least you have two fantastic options and you wont go wrong either way. Good luck :)


I would think there is more competition among Pepperdine students because they are at the lower end of the legal market and really have to fight for jobs.  As for affiliation with a larger institution, you are right.  And Hastings is affiliated with the largest and best public higher education system in the world (UC).  Don't think that a jump in the USNews rankings makes Pepperdine a rising starr (get it) in the legal world, they are still at the bottom of the California legal market.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: UC Hastings Class of 2011
« on: April 07, 2008, 01:36:57 AM »
As much as Hastings gets talked about on this board, I'm surprised there isn't a Hastings accepted students thread. If I don't get any more acceptances and I don't get off my waitlist (or potential future waitlists), I will be Hastings bound in the Fall. So, who else is ready to live in The City, go to school in The 'Loin, live in The Tower, and spend Sundays in the fall watching the 49ers play at The 'Stick?  ;D
That smiley at the end denotes you're happy about Hastings in the fall. 

How sad.

I thought the smiley was about the 49ers, not Hastings.  Also, you're a d.i.c.k.

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As 2L I disagree with this perspective.  Don't get me wrong, I know people who think like that, it's just I only know about 1 or 2.  Aside from those (crazy) people, most people agree: Hastings sucks.  However, it sucks in two regards and two regards only: Socially and academically. 

Socially it is horrible unless you enjoy no common areas to get to know your classmates, no real campus, no student community etc.

My experience has been quite different and I have to disagree with the characterization that hastings sucks socially (and to a lesser extend that it has a lack of community).   The big reason for the difference in out experiences is that during the above 2L's first year the whole school was crammed into one building because the library was getting a face lift.  Not very fun.  Now that the construction is complete there are two major places for socializing: the "beach" and the dinning commons.  Both are a buzz with students during the middle part of the day and give you ample opportunity to socialize and do whatever.  I bet the campus personality was totally different last year, but that was last year...

Other than being slightly jaded, the 2L's other advice is spot on and I urge everyone--even those not considering Hastings--to think about where you will be happiest and what you want to do with your degree.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Summer Before 1L
« on: April 04, 2008, 08:41:46 PM »
relax (and get in the habit of reading all the time).

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Look at the courses for schools near technology hot spots (e.g. Silicon Valley, Silicon Alley)...

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Don't count on graduating in the top 10% at Pepperdine.  Law school kids are smart and tenacious, just like you.  Plus, there are a good chance that more than 10% of the class has big school ambitions as well (not to mention a similar scholarship).

Don't forget to deduct the car expenses from the 27K. 

I don't think Hastings generally gives out extra money for public interest work, but there are some fellowships and scholarships available from various groups...

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27K really?  Will you double check your math because that does not sound correct (at least at 1am); the tuition at Hastings (40 + 28 + 28) should be slightly cheaper than at Pepperdine (35K * 3). You know, you could always defer at Hastings for a year, gain CA residency, and then pay in state tuition for all three years.  Just a thought.

First, Hastings is a better school and the basic rule is go to the best school you can attend.  So in that sense the decision is simple.  27k is not a lot of money in the long run.

That said, tuition is only one aspect to consider, make sure you also look at the longterm consequences/benefits of attending each institution.  For instance, your employment prospects as a Hastings will outweigh that of Pepperdine, and the 27K "extra" you spend attending Hastings will be more than made up over the course of your career through increased career prospects.

UPDATE: I just realized that you are factoring in your financial aid money at Pepperdine, duh. Just remember that there is a reason they are giving you the money, Pepperdine wants to use your scores to pull them up in the rankings. If you're fine getting only the financial aid money out of the deal while sacrificing better career prospects I say go for it.  The Pepperdine campus looks pretty and the weather is nice.  If, however, you want to use the school's reputation and fringe benefits after graduation I say look past 27K.  You're already making a huge investment in your future and you should identify your priorities and then make a decision based on them.  If it's debt only you are worried about then attend Pepperdine.  If it's income potential minus debt then attend Hastings.   

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