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Studying for the LSAT / Re: December's relative difficulty and scale
« on: December 01, 2007, 04:42:29 PM »
As I see it, this test was strikingly similar to December 2006 (PT 51).  One of the logic games even had the same rules.  If anything, this one was a little harder.

Do you have any idea how high you have to be in the class to make close to market in Bama?  Is it top 10% or better than that?

Seems like the big firms will take someone in the top 10% at Cumberland or Ole Miss before they dip down to top 25% at Bama.  I mean, quite a few of them actually have MORE Cumberland associates.  Do any firms actually prefer Cumberland to Bama?

And it's not like Alabama really has the kind of population or economy to support lots of mid-size defense firms.

There seems to be like a total of 4 Bama associates at the top dogs in ATL (or something like that).

I know it's cheap but I don't want to go to this school if there's a 90% chance I'll make 35K somewhere in the hills of Alabama.  Anyone with inside info?

How well did your sources do at Bama?

I have heard the following negative things (true or not) about Bama:
--the cutoff for biglaw is about 10-15% b/c Birmingham is such a small market
--Bama was hovering around #50 or worse not long ago, so its rep has not increased with its rise in ranking
--T4 Cumberland does just as well in Birmingham as Bama does, cutoff-wise at the big Birmingham firms
--if you're not from Alabama, especially if you're a yankee, it's hard to get hired in the state, especially for smaller firms
--you have to stay in the state over the summer if you want to keep in-state tuition, which limits your ability to clerk/network in Atlanta if you hope to end up there when you're done;
--firms in Atlanta don't treat Alabama much different than GSU, if not worse than GSU

Alabama, which games the rankings harder than most schools, will take low GPA splitters while UGA will not.  That's why I'm thinking about Alabama.  I want to work in ATL, not in Alabama so much, although a big firm in Birmingham would be nice.

Take the LSAT and then worry about that.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is Iowa overrated?
« on: October 16, 2007, 06:33:48 PM »
I am seriously considering Illinois so that's why I'm asking this stuff.

Also, that list was just the V50.  UIUC had about 19% in the V100, which is pretty good, although I don't think there are many really big Chicago firms that's aren't at least V100 (Jenner is #50, I think Sonnenschein is in there, not sure about the rest...)

Good for you with the JAG.  I don't know if that would be for me, but it sounds cool.

Even if I get a little tuition break from Illinois, it still seems kind of expensive.  I'm just wondering at what point in the class do people not have any options, like if you're below top third are you stuck making $40K or worse?  Or can you get some kind of midlaw job?  Just wondering what people say.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is Iowa overrated?
« on: October 16, 2007, 04:22:06 PM »

I assume they only included the V100 in that compilation?  If so, that looks about right for all the schools, although I'm surprised WUSTL has such low representation.

Illinois, DePaul, Loyola and Kent are unique on that list in that the reported % can't be too far from how deep in the class V100 firms go, since nearly all the students at those schools want Chicago.  There must be more market-paying firms in Chicago than those represented here, because it would be depressing to think that a V100 will only go 16% into the UIUC class and 2.7% into Kent's.

Just from your personal experience at 2L OCI, did people get interviews/callbacks in a pattern relatively consistent with their class rank, and was there a clear cutoff rank?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: PLEASE tell me if i'm deluded!
« on: October 16, 2007, 01:49:54 PM »
You never know, Yale and Stanford have a reputation for looking at soft factors and I think you have outside shot.

Things may change over the years, I don't know any LRAP specifics.  Of course, LRAPs are on every school's web page.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: PLEASE tell me if i'm deluded!
« on: October 16, 2007, 01:21:51 PM »
Just go to HYSCCN and work a couple years of biglaw to pay it off.  You'll have a degree that's worth a lot more, you'll get better public interest work, and you'll have a great asset if you ever find yourself out of a job sometime down the road.

Either that or just do the LRAP from those schools.  If this is your plan, don't bother with Chicago; I don't know much about the others but NYU's LRAP has a great rep.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Freak, the 1st year attorney taking questions
« on: October 16, 2007, 12:42:23 PM »
I think this would be an easy one.

While I am not a law student and know almost nothing, I would say that civil rights victims are victims of systematic discrimination, and may have systematically less access to counsel.  If they weren't members of classes of people who face these systematic constraints, they would just be "victims."

I don't think you can make the same argument with regard to personal injury plaintiffs.  It would be like saying, "all tort filers are part of a protected class."  There is really nothing that these people have in common except being tort filers.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Is Iowa overrated?
« on: October 16, 2007, 12:35:30 PM »
I don't know much..

But my GUESS is that Iowa, Indiana and Ohio State all have about 10-15% cutoffs to make market in Chicago.  This could be give or take based on your resume, whether you look good and give a good interview, etc.  This is slightly better, probably, than Kent/Loyola (IP excluded, of course).

Wisconsin might work a little better than those 3 schools, but not much.

WUSTL, Minnesota and Illinois are all probably between 20-33%.  I know that Illinois outplaces WUSTL in Chicago by far, but this may not be a function of cutoff.

I don't think you'd go to any of the big 10 schools (except for Illinois) with the goal of working in Chicago, because all the connections you'll make in school are within your state.  The big difference between Iowa and Wisconsin, Indiana, and Ohio State is Iowa doesn't even have what would be considered a "secondary" market.  Des Moines is a very small city.  At least Wisc and Indiana have Milwaukee/Madison and Indianapolis.  Ohio has 3 secondary markets and Ohio State is solid for all of them.

One drawback to Illinois is there isn't a market where Illinois is the prime local school.  You're competing with the whole country in Chicago and that's really the only market in the state.

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