« on: February 20, 2008, 01:40:18 PM »
To the OP: I'm basically your numbers twin, except I have a lower GPA, a (slightly) higher LSAT and I'm not a URM. Should I be as pessimistic as I am about my chances?
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« on: February 16, 2008, 08:32:54 PM »
Umm...no. The answer is just no, nothing more or less.
This is true. As far as working in Birmingham, I don't think going to Alabama gives you any advantage at all. And it's much easier to get into to the top 10% at Cumberland vs. Alabama because the competition is much worse.
The big advantage of Alabama is the cost. That's why I'm thinking of applying there. The problem is, I would want to work in Atlanta more than Birmingham and I don't think I can get into UGA. I wonder how hard it is to find a decent-paying job in Atlanta coming from UA.
« on: December 30, 2007, 08:43:20 PM »
As the starter of this thread, I have to say I'm surprised to see someone has tried to find exact numbers for each school. Getting a decent job has so many variables, and CDO numbers are notoriously dishonest depending on the school, so I don't know how useful that is.
Nevertheless, I thought the list of numbers is interesting and at least makes sense for some of the schools. I believe law students are mostly rational actors, that is, they will almost always take a higher-paying job over a lower one. Many people claim to not be "biglaw types" but I think people overestimate the number of people who would turn biglaw down given the opportunity.
Also, there are a significant number of people in any law school who have IP credentials or who have personal ties to firms. This means that the estimated "cutoff point" for any school listed here is likely too generous. Absent these factors, if you subtract about 5-10% from each school listed maybe you have a better idea whether a law firm will take you seriously based on your class percentile.
I'm interested in a lot of schools listed and I have some questions about them.
As for W&L, I'm applying there and I think I would love Lexington, and I think Southern firms will take a good look at people in the top 25% provided they're going back to their hometowns or are at least Southern. I am from the upper Midwest and have never lived south of Wisconsin. Does this mean I could really be screwed if I'm below the top 10% probably needed for NYC/DC?
As for Iowa, I'm applying there too and I really doubt that 27% of the class has access to biglaw. That said, I have ties to Minneapolis and I think Minneapolis firms will go similarly deep at Iowa vs. Minnesota if the candidate has local ties. But really, where do these Iowa people who supposedly get biglaw work? There is no 100k market in Iowa. Minneapolis, KC, Omaha are all small, outsider-phobic markets, and Iowa SAs are scarce at the top Chicago firms.
And for that matter, where do these biglaw people from Minnesota work? The Minneapolis market just isn't that big and Minnesota's LS is relatively large. And Minnesota is not known for sending people to NYC. I mean, I can probably count the number of 110k+ non-IP Minneapolis firms on one hand. And everyone at the school wants to work for these same firms.
Is it too late to get fee waivers from schools? I just registered for the LSDAS, will I just automatically see them coming in or do I have to ask?
I have a 175+ LSAT, and a very low GPA, although I haven't disclosed my GPA yet on my LSDAS file.
Are FWs mostly sent via snail mail or e-mail or do they show up on the LSDAS site somehow?
« on: December 26, 2007, 07:03:52 PM »
There is no real difference between Kent/Loyola/DePaul. Maybe go with Kent if you have IP credentials, DePaul/Loyola if you want to work for a personal injury firm or for the local government, but I don't see the difference.
The important thing about these schools is almost no one could benefit from going to any of them without a hefty scholarship. They have a lot of alums in insurance defense, but it's hard to find a decent-paying insurance defense job right after bar passage unless you're in the top third/half or so or maybe you look good and interview real well. The Chicago job market is tough.
Some bigger Chicago firms might go a tiny bit deeper into Kent than say DePaul. But when the difference is between 10% and 15% (and that's stretching it) who cares?
For purposes of working in small-law practice areas, it doesn't matter where you go to school. If you're interested in this type of school you might have an interest in family law. If so, I'd even go to Marshall with lots of $$ over paying like 20K/year for DePaul on a scholarship.
And ALL these schools will scheme up ways to take your scholarship away. They will stop at nothing.
« on: December 25, 2007, 12:16:02 AM »
I'm interested in this topic too. I have serious ties to Milwaukee and Minneapolis but I also like Chicago.
Cutoff-wise, how do the big Milwaukee and Minneapolis firms treat Wisconsin, Illinois, Minnesota, Iowa, Indiana and WUSTL? I assume, given local ties, all of these would be treated about the same. I once heard anecdotally that Minnesota is worse for Minneapolis than some of these others since everyone near the top of Minnesota's class wants the same few jobs.
« on: December 24, 2007, 12:06:05 PM »
Someone with your numbers has no business going to any of the three (or four) mediocre Chicago city schools. You'll at least get into Madison. Go there if you don't have better options. You'll be paying MN reciprocity tuition there, which isn't great but a lot cheaper than an expired scholarship at DePaul or Kent or whatever.
« on: December 24, 2007, 01:28:35 AM »
What kind of Chicagoland opportunities does someone around median have? I would assume you'd have to pass the bar first before getting hired, but are there good, legit jobs well over 50K/year for these folks? I hear conflicting opinions about this from elsewhere.
I have no special talents or experience. I want to do some form of litigation. Will some halfway decent ID firm paying in the 70K neighborhood pick me up if I'm a mediocre student (below top third, above the very very bottom) at UIUC?
« on: December 24, 2007, 01:15:10 AM »
Haha sometimes you wonder exactly what people do with their asses to get jobs.
I'm not at Tulane but I'll consider it if they give me money. I'm just trying to construct a list of schools to target and Tulane is among them. And plus, like I said, a buddy of mine went there.
My trouble with Tulane or any other southern school is I'm a midwesterner. I have no ties to anywhere in the south really. And southern markets, especially Texas, seem to be the most provincial.