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I'll go out on a limb and say he probably scored the 722 on his SAT's.

Well, he said specifically that he thought about going to law school and got a 722 on the LSAT, so I would rule out the SAT theory because there really wouldn't be any need to mention the fact that he thought about going to law school and correlate that with an SAT score (which is used primarily for college admissions).  Further, I don't think it's possible to get a 722 on the SAT since the score works in increments of ten (so it would probably be closer to 720 or 730).

I know the LSAT grading scale has gone through a number of changes, so I'm sure it's entirely possible that at one time it used to be out of 800.

Wikipedia says it was 200-800 for a while.  I seem to remember reading this in other locations.  And if Wikipedia states it, then it must be true.

Out of curiosity, because people are going to ask, how did you get a 722 on the LSAT?

Probably by studying, and working through practice tests, and showing up for the test after a good nights rest and a moderate but not to heavy morning breakfast.

They changed the numbering scheme back in the early 90s. 

Law School Admissions / Re: Toby Stock Call Thread
« on: November 19, 2008, 08:00:46 PM »

He ordered a large pepperoni with onions and extra sauce for pick-up.

Just kidding.  I didn't even apply.  Harvard admissions would find my application about as amusing and pointless as I'm sure you all found this post. 

... please be kind enough to return the favor.

At least have the heart to shoot me a message that their writing sucks and they should give up now before wasting $500 on applications.

Just saying.

Law School Admissions / "Will you be applying for financial aid?"
« on: November 12, 2008, 05:20:47 PM »
Why is this question asked? Is it any of their business?  Does 'financial aid' include any sort of aid in the form of loans, or scholarship aid only? What if it's a loan from a relative?  Does it affect their decision on admittance or merit scholarship allocation? How does this also factor into the current economy and the drying up of credit? What if I check 'No' but later decide I do need some extra assistance?

Am I over thinking this? 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: I've run out of logic games...what next?
« on: November 12, 2008, 04:49:31 AM »
I have the Webking book.  You may get some benefit out of it.

The problems are considerably more difficult, but much of that added complexity isn't in ways that will improve your skills in solving the puzzles.  The puzzles are worded poorly and in ways that the LSAT test makers don't use.  And the set-ups and answers section are a completely useless.  Instead of showing the common rule diagramming (e.g. "If Bob does this then George does that" becomes B->G) he uses a narrative which is mostly worthless when trying to find out the solution to the problem.  And don't expect to spend 8.5 min on each problem.  If you can do these in 8.5 min with accuracy then expect to ace it on the real test.

On the positive side, after I've done 3-4 of them, the official LSAT tests seem to be on an order of magnitude easier to do.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: 3.24/157
« on: November 09, 2008, 11:07:13 AM »
I know, pretty weak numbers.  I had a hard undergrad major (math), and upward grade trends (3.5 over last 60 hours).  I was hoping these would help.  Want to go to a tier1 school.  Location is not important.  What is the best place for me?

Want to go to a T1? Best place for you?  In a library chair studying for the Dec 6th LSAT.

Per the USNWR 2008 rankings, the schools whose lower 25% LSAT score was 157 or lower...

36 - IU Bloomington
36 - U of Georgia
47 - U of FL
51 - AZ State
53 - Case Western
56 - Univ of Tenn

You should have a good shot at a T2, but T1 might be a coin toss. 

Job Search / Re: paris offices?
« on: November 02, 2008, 06:16:04 PM »
i'm technically pre-law, just started getting accepted to schools about a week ago. however, where i decide to go depends majorly on... if it would benefit me to have a french law degree or not. i'm planning on asking for a deferral so i can come back to france next year and be completely fluent, after which i plan on pursuing a j.d./maître en droit. however, i want to practice for an american firm... with a paris office. i've done a bit of research, but, in your general experience, do several firms have offices abroad? and how hard are they to get into at that? and would it really benefit me to have a french law degree in order to work at that firm, or would being fluent in french be enough?

i appreciate all the help!

If your main pursuit in life is to work in Paris, you may want to look into many other potential career paths.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Need advice
« on: November 02, 2008, 11:34:43 AM »
My opinion only.

When applying, stress your higher grades in your more recent time in university.  Hope that adcoms will look favorably upon it. 

Start studying for the LSAT now.  It's just a matter of mastering three skills (games, reading, logic).  Of those, it's a matter of mastering the sub-components.  Reading questions are almost always one of six different question types.  Learn them.  Get use to the way the answers are commonly worded.  Also, there's only a handfull of game types.  Get the previous tests and do them all.  Wait a few months, then do them again (plan to do this up front, so make photocopies of the tests so you don't ruin the originals).  Then do them a third time separated by a few months.  Learn the different types of questions on the Logical Reasoning section.  Go to the wikipedia page that lists all the logical fallacies and learn them, and learn to recognize them.  This is a good life skill to have regardless of going into law or taking the LSAT. 

You have one to two years, so start now.  I am a firm believer the LSAT is a skill like any other that can be improved dramatically by anyone of reasonable intelligence if they work hard enough at it. 

A high LSAT will help offset a poor GPA.  Depending on your final set of numbers, you may or may not have difficulty getting into a top school.  But it's not impossible. 

NYC is also a tough market.  Will you be going full time or part time?  You've got to consider the cost of the school you get in, and how long you will be going.  Part time, expect a law degree to take you five years, and that's with three summers of classes.  And will you be able to maintain good grades while working full time and taking three classes?  If you're at a T2 school, staying in the top 20% is crucial for getting one of those 150,000/yr jobs out of school.  Otherwise, it's tough to pay off a $100,000 loan on a $60,000/yr job.  While you have 6 years work experience and a family to raise, the other fresh graduates may not and may be better suited to take on a situation like that. 

Hmmm.  I have one, just "Personal Statement for ... " across the top, centered and boldened.  This is to separate it from my "Addendum to explain elements of my police record"

Though, after reading the two above stating they are not titling there's, I may just put "Personal Statement" in the footer at the bottom or omit it all together. 

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