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Got a 3.39 GPA. and a 159 on the June LSAT. I attended University of Illinois at Chicago for undergrad and my dream is to go University of Illinois Urbana Champaign for Law School. Is it worth applying or should i retake the LSAT?

I'd say you have a higher expected rate of return investing that money in Mega-Millions tickets.

Thats a bit extreme.There are people who have been accepted with worse states, however I understand that is the exception and not the rule.

I will definitely retake in September, thanks for the help

Yes, but these folks:
  • are URMs
  • have the same surname as campus buildings
  • love their Uncle Blago

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Hi guys. Ive been anxiously waiting for my score back and I recieved this email from LSAC yesterday:

A hold has been placed on your file because you did not sign either your LSAT admission ticket, your LSAT answer sheet, your registration, or your report order form.  A form letter has been sent to you.  Please complete, sign, and respond as instructed on the letter.
Im just wanting to know if anyone else has been in this situation and whether or not that delayed getting their score back. If it did, how much longer would it take?

Im pretty sure I followed ALL directions that were read and Im pretty confident everyone at my testing site probably got this email as well because we were placed in a large auditorium and the proctors seemed a little haphazrd at best. The testing site ran well but a lot of little things were off like the time we started and stuff.

Anyway any help is appreciated! I plan on over nighting the  letter back to LSAC.

I got one of these the first time I took the LSAT.  It was because that statement that needs to be written at the start of the exam ("I am who I am, and I swear it' all that I am...blah blah blah") actually needed to be written, whereas I had printed it.  I honestly could say that on that test day that I hadn't used cursive in at least 10 years, and probably more like 20 years. 

Anyhow, I managed to scribble out the passage and sent it back to them.  No problem.

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Law School Applications / Re: A question (John Marshall LS)
« on: June 27, 2009, 03:53:48 PM »
Ok, I got 149 :(
 GPA is not calculated yet, but I am confident it will be more than 3.18, since I had way over 3.5 at my other college (just don't remember anymore exactly what, since it was so long ago)
Plus I have 6 years of corporate (Fortune 500 company) experience as a BA, and interesting ethnic (though not URM) background.
I was also given a suggestion to try Vlparaiso univ. if I get a score around 149. That would be a big problem to drive if JMLS didn't work out. Ouch.

Not to be a male private part here, but I'd be pretty worried about the possibility of being accepted, attending a year, and then realizing I really didn't have the mental acumen to cut it and being stuck with a $25,000 bill.  Even worse than it being a personal decision, being told by JMLS that you will not be returning the following year (they have a pretty high 1l drop rate if I recall), and still being stuck with the bill.

Still even worse than that, you go to JMLS and make it through with a 2.25 GPA and graduate in the top 80% of your class, manage to pass the bar on your second or third try, and the best job you can get is for $40-50,000 a year when you have $100,000 in law school debt.

"A man's got to know his limitations." - 'Dirty' Harry Callahan

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Got a 3.39 GPA. and a 159 on the June LSAT. I attended University of Illinois at Chicago for undergrad and my dream is to go University of Illinois Urbana Champaign for Law School. Is it worth applying or should i retake the LSAT?

I'd say you have a higher expected rate of return investing that money in Mega-Millions tickets.

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General Board / Re: Is the era of biglaw over forever?
« on: June 15, 2009, 02:06:06 AM »
I think both the auto-industry and death of capitalism arguments are flawed.  The auto-industry in America died because the auto-industry was run by a bunch of f-ing retards who couldn't see the blatant writing on the wall, that Americans wanted cheaper better made and more reliable cars that were more environmentally friendly.  They also didn't need 300 models from 15 different divisions.  Toyota, Kia, Honda are doing just fine, GM and Chrysler (and their unions) killed themselves.

But death of big law as the death of capitalism is way off base.  It will be the thriving of capitalism that will be the death of biglaw.  Corporations will start to question why they need multi-million dollar legal bills then they can source the same legal issues to firms that charge less hourly (or better yet on a per-incident basis), and even look at ways to cut costs by outsourcing work that doesn't necessarily need an ABA lawyer to perform (like document review) and ship it over to India where they will be happy to review as many documents as you're willing to give them for 1/10th the cost of T2 J.D.  Further, (and this is a personal pipe dream) I'd like to see shareholders revolt against the companies they own and question why these companies retain biglaw firms that charge 3 or 4 times as much as a smaller boutique firms, especially in times of economic trouble when those costs can be cut.

Is biglaw dead? No.  However it's going to  be getting older, and maturing, and it won't be the economically fertile young man it used to be.

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you guys are real f-ing comedians :)
In all seriousness, if you buy an Apple, you could find yourself having to buy a copy of Windows as well, because despite all the smear ads, they have less than 10% market share.
As for as buying a computer with Windows, don't rush to buy one now.  As early as July there should be free Windows 7 upgrade programs for computers sold with Vista.

Source?  Not challenging you, I'm actually very interested.

I'd be sure that whatever exam software the school uses works with Macs if i were to contemplate using a Mac.

Then again, I'd never contemplate using a Mac.  If you don't know Windows now, do yourself a favor and learn it, because unless you start up your own private practice, the firm you work for probably won't support it.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola v. Chicago-Kent ($)
« on: May 12, 2009, 07:35:35 PM »
does anyone have any info on Loyola? The graph posted above shows their employment statistics are pretty comparable to kent. Why then the perception that kent is the better school? Is it their IP success?

My opinion is that much of the perception is based on the US News ranking the school higher.  I think you could massage the methodology in any number of somewhat trivial ways and you'll get different rankings of the three schools (CK/L/D). 

US News rankings are based heavily on the perception of the school by academics (25%) and legal professionals (15%), and the quality of the entering class (22.5%).  Kent's records are pretty consistent (the past few years at least) of students who score higher on the LSAT and higher GPA, so that in itself gives Kent an advantage for 22.5% of the methodology.  And naturally higher quality students are going to lead to higher quality output which is going to reflect in higher approval by legal professionals (another 15%).  So immediately on the basis of the student body alone Kent has a 35% edge over the other two schools, and none of this really is a measure of the quality of the school itself. 

Factors that really measure the quality of the school itself like student/faculty ratio, expenditures per student and library quality only factor in at about 15%. 

One other thing, even though Kent is ranked 10 places above the other two, they are only separated by two points out of 100 used to actually rank the schools.  So ignoring the actual ranking, points-wise the three schools differ by 2%.

One thing to point out, I have the rankings from 2008 and whereas Kent and Loyola had the same score both in 2008 and 2010 (45 and 43 respectively), DePaul had a score of 39 in 2008 and was, from what I've heard, ranked T3 a not too many years ago (apparently not many years ago they had some troubled times and their reputation dropped).  So they have actually managed to improve their reputation a bit from the past few years.

For all three schools, I think you need to visit and make your own personal choice.  All three are so close in many ways that it's splitting hairs to say which is better than the other. 




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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola v. Chicago-Kent ($)
« on: May 12, 2009, 12:47:30 AM »
http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/regional_IL.pdf

In case you hadn't seen, the distribution of types of employment after graduation by school for the region.  Depaul has a fairly significant (compared to the other schools) who go into public interest work.

According to that chart, DePaul has less 1L attrition, less unemployment, and fewer grads going into grad school....add to this that your Grad Plus loan will be through Direct Loans at DePaul and through another lender at Kent...so why wouldn't you go to DePaul??!

Well it came down to choosing Depaul where I would have to trudge my ass half a mile to union station at 9PM four nights a week through the dread of Chicago winters, or pay $40,000 more to go to Kent.  I chose Kent.

But seriously, there were a couple other things about DePaul that went beyond the law school itself, which were weighing increasingly on my mind.  When the cost of attendance at Kent became competitive to DePaul it was a done deal as far as I was concerned.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Loyola v. Chicago-Kent ($)
« on: May 07, 2009, 09:13:23 PM »
http://www.law.com/pdf/nlj/regional_IL.pdf

In case you hadn't seen, the distribution of types of employment after graduation by school for the region.  Depaul has a fairly significant (compared to the other schools) who go into public interest work.

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Minority Topics / Re: Minority at Majority White Institutions
« on: May 03, 2009, 11:55:08 PM »
And it leaves many beautiful people out in the social cold, b/c, contrary to popular belief, many overweight people don't even like overweight people. 

I've had a few people try to set me up on blind dates before, and there seems to be this perception that because I'm fat I want to date a nice girl who is also fat.  What I want is a nice-looking girl who is also blind. 

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