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It's all just a question of mind over matter.  If you ain't go no mind, then it don't matter.

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Law School Applications / Re: 2.67 LSAC GPA/ 162 LSAT
« on: July 23, 2009, 11:29:43 PM »
I have extreme split grades from my UG and pretty good softs (Humane Society volunteer work); also, I have great letters of recommendations. I'm looking to get into the private schools in Minnesota (Hamline, William Mitchell, St. Thomas). What are my chances?

The 162 should get you into at least one of those if not all. You're 6 points higher than the top 25% reported for Hamline.  Short of a criminal record, you probably have little to worry about of not getting accepted anywhere despite the low UG GPA.

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Law School Applications / Re: Any tips for Class of 2016?
« on: July 23, 2009, 11:08:15 PM »
You're right I shouldn't have used those words but the longer you stay in school, the better. Having an education is important and there are people who go to law school who have no intentions of working in the legal field after they graduate and with the way the job market is heading many people will probably continue to attend higher education programs like law, pharmacy, etc. Having a law degree could is valuable to other types of employers too, not just legal fields.  

I disagree with that and, in fact, having a law degree could discourage people in other fields from hiring you because they think that 1) you're uncommitted to their field, 2) there's something wrong with you since you couldn't hack it in the law, and 3) you'll jump ship if you find a more lucrative legal job.

Maybe. I know of some people with law degrees who went into business and have been successful. Business consultants, etc. I also know of journalists who hold law degrees. I guess it depends on what field, etc.

Here's another two popular ones... 4) You're overqualified 5) You'll sue us

When I was much younger, I used to think #4 was an absurd reason not to hire someone, but have seen it in practice a few times.  Once with a person who had a law degree.  To laymen, law degrees are seen as golden tickets to the magical land of prosperity and sexy babes.  Truth is, it's a highly competitive field and only the best make the top bucks.  The person in question found he could earn more in computers and began to work in that field.  To us who were considering him, the law degree was a detriment for that very reason.  We didn't offer him a position. 

It doesn't mean that it's impossible to find a job, and that you can't find success in a different career.  We're just saying that it doesn't automatically make it easier as you seem to think.




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Law School Applications / Re: Any tips for Class of 2016?
« on: July 23, 2009, 10:54:10 PM »
Do not take this as a recommendation to start 'studying' for the LSAT, but I don't think it would hurt if you bought a prep guide over the winter or summer holiday and gave it a read-through so you knew what was going to be on the exam, preferably before you took those philosophy courses that concerned logical reasoning.  Purchase one of the previous test books and when you get an hour to kill every so often just work through a section.  Approach it as something to do for intellectual entertainment like a crossword puzzle.  Later, when you then take philosophy courses in logic and reasoning, knowing how the test questions apply to what you're learning will help reinforce what you're learning and how it can help you on the test.  Then during the summer between your Jr/Sr year, when it comes time to actually buckle down and prepare for the test, you will probably find it a lot easier than had you not.

Meanwhile learn to relax and not be such a Type-A personality, or you'll have a massive coronary or panic attacks by the time you're in your early thirties.  Don't even bother trying to argue with me on this point, your posts in this thread scream Type-A feminine hygiene product bag.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is is possible LSAC is wrong???
« on: July 04, 2009, 02:22:52 AM »

Am I wrong, or is this reasoning just a little bit circular?  The answer must be correct because the LSAC says it's correct and the LSAC is always correct because they get all the answers right.

No.  There are two different definitions for the word "correct."  One is a logically accurate response.  The other is the credited response.  You are using them interchangeably. 

Uh, yeah.  I may have used a word with multiple meanings, but your reasoning is still circular. 

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Law School Applications / Re: Ds on transcript!!!!!!
« on: July 03, 2009, 02:11:04 PM »


Hello,

I'm curious as to know how much schools weigh individual grades.  My gpa is a 3.3/3.6 undergrad and masters.  One the surface it's not too unbearably awful, but I have had two Ds in my undergrad and one in my master's program.  Will they take letter grades into consideration??


Thank you for your help and input!! 

Yes, you're screwed.  Nobody wants a lawyer to represent them in a bankruptcy case when they got a D in physics, and the schools only accept people whom they know will be fine upstanding attorneys that are bankable.    I recommend a career in HVAC repair or diesel mechanics for you.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is is possible LSAC is wrong???
« on: July 03, 2009, 02:06:00 PM »
What makes you think Powerscore is a definitive source?  They are wrong a lot.  In fact, they do not try to be 100% correct.  That is not their goal.  Their goal is to provide tricks and gimmicks (such as the ladder) to help most students most of the time.  They know it is not 100% accurate.  They do not care.  They are trying to create something simple that will work most of the time.  Their perspective is that their students are not smart enough to understand the actual logic behind the exam so they have to find a way for them to game their way through the exam. 

Another good example is a fight we have on these boards all the time about "most strongly supported" questions.  Powerscore puts them in the "must be true" category.  Yet, the correct response (as credited by LSAC) is always a response option that does not have to be true.  I remember a big fight with a poster about a year ago(?) in which she insisted LSAC got a question wrong because their credited response for a "strongly supported" question did not have to be true.  She insisted the credited response must be wrong because Powerscore said that correct responses to these questions must be true. 

In the end, if it comes down to a difference between what Powerscore says and what LSAC says, you are better off going with LSAC.  Powerscore is not the definitive source and they do have many things in their books that are not completely true just because they are trying to simplify things for the dolts.  LSAC is the only definitive source. 

Am I wrong, or is this reasoning just a little bit circular?  The answer must be correct because the LSAC says it's correct and the LSAC is always correct because they get all the answers right.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is is possible LSAC is wrong???
« on: July 02, 2009, 12:56:02 AM »
Note the last line, artistic talent and political insight are rarely found together.  Therefore some people with artistic talent have political insight.  Therefore, it would indicate that most is in fact not all.

Contrarian,
  I would have agreed with you.  However, the Powerscore Logical Reasoning Bible (one of the most definitive prep books out there) clearly disagrees.  Page 315 breaks down what they call "The Logic Ladder."  This is what they say:
"if a statement is made that 'all waiters like wine,' then you automatically know that 'most waiters like wine,' and 'some waiters like wine.'  The same is true for most relationships, but to a more limited extent.  If 'most waiters like wine,' then you automatically know that 'some waiters like wine.'  But because most is below all on the Logic Ladder, you do not know with certainty that 'all waiters like wine' (it is possibly true, but not certain)"
All of that was a quote from powerscore.  The very last part--"it is possibly true, but not certain--is what I'm talking about.  If we say "Most artists know less about politics than not artists," according to Powerscore, it's still possible that "all artists know less about politics than non artists," and, if that's the case, we can't infer that some artists know as much as non artists about politics. 
So, it seems to me that either Powerscore is wrong, or the test is wrong.  Since this is from Preptest 2, I'm tempted to believe the latter is the case.  Thoughts?


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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Is is possible LSAC is wrong???
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:09:27 PM »
I could swear the credited response for the following question (from PrepTest 2) is wrong.
"There is little point in looking to artists for insights into political issues.  Most of them hold political views that are less insightful than those of any reasonably well-educated person who is not an artist.  Indeed, when taken as a whole, the statements made by artists, including those considered to be great, indicate that artistic talen and political insight are rarely found together."

Which of the following can be inferred from the passage?

I did not find any answer particularly appealing, but I do feel like the credited response was clearly wrong.  The answer is

"Some artists are no less politically insightful than some reasonably well-educated persons who are not artists."

The stimulus says, essentially, that most artists have less insightful political views than well-educated non-artists.  However, most does not preclude the possibility of all (since the concept of all contains the concept of most), and for this reason, I don't see how we can infer that some artists are no less politically insightful than non artists.  This is possible, but not necessarily the case.

Does anyone have any input on this?

I do believe that for purposes of the LSAT, most does not imply the possibility of all.  It means the greatest of multiple amounts, therefore there has to be some that are not in the most category.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Your Michael Jackson LSAT Passage Here
« on: June 28, 2009, 02:26:16 AM »
MJ does provide excellent diversity fodder that the LSAT loves so much, and the molestation accusations and other negative story angles would certainly make for an excellent means to lure a test taker into possibly selecting an answer that is less than glowingly positive regarding the subject.

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