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I can't speak directly to that--I'm sure somebody else would have more info.  But I'll say that literally every school has an ADR curriculum, so, all things considered, you're best off going to the best school you get into.  Also, watch out for negotiations & ADR courses that are embedded in a business law curriculum--there are courses that aren't delimited by specific areas of law.

Again, somebody else could probably better speak to specific programs.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: November 03, 2009, 11:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Pardon Johnny Cash. link=topic=4012610.msg5368597#msg5368597
I was wondering/thinking this a week ago and looked at the monthly stats.  However, it looks like the site's still depressed considering relative stats from a year ago and two years ago.

eta:  Anyone notice that many of the new posters applying this cycle are less of the LSD-traditional T14/25 strivers and more of the T2 regional applicants?

Yeah, it certainly would take more time to get things back to '07 levels.  It'd be very difficult for us to catch back up to the other forum.  I guess that's obvious.

And yes, the T2 ratio is at an all-time high.  I'd bet traffic from that crowd has been consistent--not a demographic that you're going to lose to "top law schools." 

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: November 03, 2009, 11:05:29 PM »
Is traffic up now that the site's been serviced?  Seems that way to me.

All sorts of stuff's working correctly--good *&^%.

The question is whether you want to work at that firm after graduation.  If not, the judicial internship could be better for your resume.  Were I in your shoes, I'd recognize that getting a job out of (wherever you're at school--Hofstra?) probably isn't easy, so I'd be doing everything in my power to seal things up with the small firm.

In the end, if your grades are poor, the connection to the firm would be more important than the state-level internship.  Even a District Court internship wouldn't make up for bad grades, whereas the strong connection might.

All things considered, I'd see if I could split.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: 3.50/166
« on: November 03, 2009, 04:16:37 PM »
Slim at UT out at GULC.

According to this calculator, he's got a 12% shot at GU.  It's worth a shot.  The odds at Cornell are better.

Shouldn't put much faith in that calculator.  The better resource is LSN.  It shows that you've got an extremely slim shot at Texas,, and that you're dead in the water at GULC,

Keep in mind that the numbers for both schools (and for every school) trend upwards on a yearly basis--look for greater than normal jumps this cycle, what with the job market.

Target places like Notre Dame and Emory.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Notre Dame vs. Emory
« on: November 03, 2009, 09:39:04 AM »
Just my own impressions (as an Emory guy):

Notre Dame does better outside of the Southeast as a general matter; Emory wins in that region, and probably in New York City.  Unless Notre Dame has a connection I don't know about, I'd say that Emory's edge is significant in Florida (South, and Central--both do a good deal of recruiting here).

Neither of the two schools are having much luck with placement in this economy, though.  Good luck with your decision.

As far as which directions they're headed in--Leiter, who does the numeric quality of students ranking, had Emory ten spots behind ND in 2007, 6 spots behind in '08, then put Emory 3 spots ahead of ND in '09.  I don't know exactly how meaningful that sort of metric is, but the basic implication is that Emory is making a huge push (via scholarships) to climb in the rankings, and it's generally succeeding.  (I can't speak to Notre Dame's trends/strategy, but I don't get the impression that they're going to start falling in the rankings--good school.)

2L job search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 13, 2009, 09:48:13 PM »

Florida Coastal / Re: Attending Florida Coastal Fall '07
« on: August 10, 2009, 07:49:49 AM »

Florida Coastal / Re: Attending Florida Coastal Fall '07
« on: August 10, 2009, 01:28:54 AM »
Well, I agree that the for-profit model in legal education is problematic and suspicious.

Common ground, huh.

But the 4th tier argument as you've described it is very weak to me.  4th Tier?  So what? What about it?

What does that even mean?  It's in the 4th tier because 1) its academic peer assessment score is awful, and its lawyers & judges assessment score is awful (i.e., neither legal scholars nor legal professionals respect it); 2) it is wildly--absolutely insanely--unselective, probably because it profits by letting in literally anyone; and 3) its placement rates are awful (of which more discussion later).

So, it's in the 4th tier because it's just a very bad law school.  You say, "What about it?"  You sound silly.

That cop-out of an answer you gave wont do... If you're going to make these statements, you need to explain them, otherwise, I'm not convinced you even know what you're talking about.

It's not clear to me what would qualify me as "knowing what I'm talking about."  There are the facts, and they are on the internet, and I'm vaguely familiar with them, and I'm also aware of the reputation of the place (reputation, of course, being highly important in this our profession).  What do you want, me to visit Jacksonville and report that indeed the place even smells like a very, very bad law school?

A link to other hearsay forums (with anonymous users trashing law schools they either got rejected from or got kicked out of) isn't my idea of helpful... I think you know that.

I don't know that, and I can pretty much guaran-effin-tee that nobody got rejected from Florida Coastal.  At least nobody who would know how to use a computer and post things on the internet.

Anyway, the point of JD Underground is that it often has fairly lucid discussions about what life is like for lower-tier grads who have a lot of debt and very bad jobs.  That's sad.  It can be literally depressing.  This is something that should be of interest to a Florida Coastal applicant.

I don't think you really need links.

Ah, yes, because the relative worth of a law school can be proved merely by emoticons.

I think you have the capacity to thoroughly explain your own ideas with reason and logic and all of the other tools you have access to.

You are insisting that I use reason and logic to explain to you that a fourth tier law school is a very bad law school.


Let that sink in.

But just spewing notions you may have understood as conventional wisdom from other message boards is not helpful, substantive, and seems a little pathetic.

If you're saying that I'm misunderstanding the "conventional wisdom," then I'm saying that either you have no idea what the conventional wisdom on Coastal is, or that you just don't know what "conventional wisdom" means.  I guess I'm leaning towards the latter.

("Conventional wisdom" is the opinion that's shared by the group.  This operates regardless of your approval of that opinion.)

And yes, why the hell would someone who is interested in going to Florida Coastal want to know that the law school admissions internet discussion community thinks that the school is awful?  They surely would have no interest in hearing the conventional wisdom on the place, which wisdom is the product of and shared by a lot of people who spend a terrific amount of time researching and discussing law schools.  You are right--much to the contrary, Florida Coastal applicants are only helped by affirmations.

You are loved!

How much do you actually know about Florida Coastal for you to rail on it like you have?

I could know a lot less, honestly, and have a similarly low opinion of the place.

Do you have data?

Yes.  The tuition is 30k, and the average starting salary is 48k.  And unless Coastal is unique amongst law schools, that 48k figure is inflated by underreported sampling.  So, it's expensive and the grads don't make any money.  That's damning evidence, generally, though of course it is--sadly--not a state of affairs that is unique to Florida Coastal.  Many other very, very bad law schools charge exorbitant tuition and leave students with offensively bad job prospects.

The average LSAT is a 150 and the average GPA is a 3.1.  I'd rather make fun of the school than the students, but, come on.

PR gives the academic experience a 60/100, which as far as I can tell is literally the lowest score a law school can get.

Their flagship journal, Florida Coastal Law Review, is ranked 179 on the W&L metric, and that's out of only 200.  And there are only 190 or so accredited schools.  So it's not a bastion of legal scholarship, let's put it that way.  In fact, this means that it's one of the least cited and least respected centers of legal scholarship in the entire country.  Go figure.

Know someone personally?  Did you attend the school?  Do you know any graduates?  Do you know any Professors that teach there?

Thank god no, thank god no, and... thank god no.  Though I go to law school with a girl who knows some people there, and she legitimately pities them, I think.

What do you know about the school you're talking about?  In essence, do you know what you're talking about? That's all I'm asking...

Plenty enough, and, yes, I knew what I was talking about way before I started talking *&^%.

No offense.

None taken, but, really dude, don't go into this "you don't know what you're talking about!" shtick unless you're really, really sure that you in fact know what you're talking about.

And I'll just say, sometimes reinventing the wheel is necessary, especially when it's made of stone...

You've butchered this metaphor, if you're trying to insult my take on Coastal.  But suffice it to say, reinventing the wheel is neither necessary nor productive.  This board has been around long enough that I should be able to say that Coastal sucks without having to drudge up all the hard proof.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: MAS: Don't Disturb the Sexy
« on: June 21, 2008, 10:05:22 AM »
I'm thinking about blowing off writing my graduation thank you notes for another few days.  How will that affect my chances at T14?

you're screwed.  i'd retake your graduation.

I miss us.

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