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Acceptances / Re: U of Minnesota vs. UC Hastings
« on: February 19, 2010, 03:23:00 AM »
I know nothing about LA, but I know the answer to your question is Hastings.  As a general rule: if you're outside the top 10, the local school is always going to have the better rep.  I know Hastings is in SF, but I think the rule still applies.

Advice you didn't ask for: Minnesota's higher ranking gives you a better shot at Biglaw.  But it's incredibly marginal.  So if you want to work in LA, you need to go to a California school so you'll be nearer the relevant small- and midlaw firms.  (Ideally, you should pick an LA school.  I'd try to talk you into it, but it's 2010 and you're considering going to a T40 law school, so I assume that you're impervious to sound logic and rational thought.)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T1 non T20 Law Schools - Worth it?
« on: February 19, 2010, 02:29:24 AM »
Well listen, I don't want you to overstate my position on the LSAT.  I think it means a whole lot of things besides just whether you're good at the LSAT or not.  It's a decent measure of analytic ability on a number of levels.  (As a general matter, I agree with "Liz Lemon" that it's the best predictor of LS success, but not necessarily a great predictor.)

So my point isn't that the LSAT doesn't capture some pretty important lawyering abilities, but rather that it doesn't much capture your ability to position yourself for success on LS exams.  That's a months-long process that requires all kinds of stuff--personal devotion, very strong writing skills (and typing skills, for that matter), thorough organization, and so forth.  And even then, it requires a good deal of luck; I know kids with all A's and one B-, because who knows, maybe they missed some big issue, or just happened to go down the wrong path of analysis, or just took a different tack than the prof was looking for.  It doesn't require mental gymnastics to imagine that kids as smart and well prepared as they are could easily have had a couple bad grades, or maybe a half dozen.

You get the point.  Success in LS is pendant upon a thousand little things going your way over the course of several months.  Your LSAT score speaks to your ability to handle a very limited handful of those things--and even then, it just suggests the likelihood that you're capable of affecting them; doesn't guarantee a thing.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T1 non T20 Law Schools - Worth it?
« on: February 17, 2010, 06:44:36 AM »
If one is certain to want to live in, say, the mid-Atlantic, then what is nominally a difference between a West Coast #20 and a mid-Atlantic #50 is almost a wash.  Indeed, it can be easier in some ways from the lower-ranked school, especially if one is a top-placed student there as compared to the higher-ranked school.  (While hardly a certainty, there is a modest chance that that's what will happen.) 

I had thoughts about pretty much everything you said, but I'll just respond to this:   no.

I go to a T20, and I know a number of people who had 170s, and a number of people who had 164s.  Six points on the LSAT is a lot, right?  That's the difference between #20 and #50, in your case.

Anyway, trust me on this:  just, no.  You could probably say "modest chance" if you decided to go to a Tier 4.  You can't say "modest chance" with anything less than a 15 point LSAT swing.  1) The LSAT is mostly horseshit; 2) four months of studying for an exam, plus all the little vagaries on law school tests, levels the playing field in spades.

I'm not saying don't go to the #50.  I'm just saying don't go there thinking you have any variety of a leg up on anybody.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: February 14, 2010, 07:01:07 PM »
Personal connections/undergrad/diversity seem to be the biggest factors.

Yeah, sounds typical.  Though I'm surprised to hear any 1Ls snagged biglaw this year, at all.  Guess that's a good sign.

PM'd.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: February 14, 2010, 04:48:54 PM »
I wouldn't be able to handle a laptop ban.  Even if it stopped me dicking around on the internet, I'd go crazy trying to write fast enough to keep up.

How has the 1L search been, generally?  I haven't heard anything.  Can't help that there are hordes of 2Ls applying for every random thing they can find.  Smart money is on y'all having a better OCI than we did, though; stuff's supposedly coming back fairly quick.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: February 13, 2010, 04:57:20 AM »
BTW Reez, I forgot to thank you for your explanation of Twombly at the end of last semester. SUPER helpful!!! Code and notice pleading was the subject of one of our essays and I totally referred to what you talked about for guidance.

Glad that my Twiqbal skillz were relevant to someone/anyone.  Every time somebody reads a draft of my Iqbal-related comment, their margin comments plain stop at about page 50.  Even civil procedure professors can't feign interest; that's how boring this area of law is.

yes it does retain jurisdiction after a final order is issued, thats not the problem, its that the appeal has been perfected....if the appellate court has authority to issue a stay, then it is exercising its jurisdictional power....my argument is that it *lost* that power when my motion was filed.

i have not been able to find much state case law which supports my position, unfortunately; but there isnt much on the other side either.  :-\

I see what you mean now.  It strikes me as unlikely that some slice of jurisdiction retained after perfection could be used to divest the appellate court of its general powers.  But this stuff isn't exactly my bailiwick, so I could be way off.  Hope you find the case you need.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: February 12, 2010, 05:18:02 PM »
question:  when an appeal is perfected, but a statute says that the trial court retains jurisdiction, where does jurisdiction lie?

How do you mean?  Jurisdiction is cabined in subject matter.

typically the trial court is divested of jurisdiction after a final order is issued and an appeal is perfected.  however, if there is a rule or statute which says that in certain circumstances a trial court retains jurisdiction after a final order -- but makes no mention of appeals -- does the the trial court truly retain jurisdiction or must the appellate court remand in order to return jurisdiction?

my argument is that rule or statute trumps perfection of appeal, but i want to hear what others think before i file for reconsideration.....

No.  The trial court retains all sorts of jurisdiction by default.  In some cases, appellate courts even have to issue stays on execution of judgment.

Edit:  I posted this then saw Jules said exactly the same thing.  We're so cute together.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: February 11, 2010, 03:05:32 AM »
question:  when an appeal is perfected, but a statute says that the trial court retains jurisdiction, where does jurisdiction lie?

How do you mean?  Jurisdiction is cabined in subject matter.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: T1 non T20 Law Schools - Worth it?
« on: February 05, 2010, 04:08:32 AM »
If you want to be a lawyer, the top 30 is terrific.  But outside of the top 10 or so, landing "the top pay job" is very, very unrealistic (this year, you had to be in the top 10% of your class at T20 and in the top 5% of your class at a T35).

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: MAS: Welcomes Our New Socialist Overlord
« on: January 31, 2010, 10:18:42 PM »
I just did a search to see if my school's 2012 LSAT median was public yet, and I wound up at TLS.  What the @#!* is that place?  First I find a thread where one of our adcomm guys is taking questions, then I find a 10 page interview that our Dean did specifically for TLS.  The guy doesn't write that much for ANYTHING (trust me on this).

This TLS *&^% is getting out of hand.

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