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I got the idea the incident took place during a law school exam...

i had the same impression

Ditto.  It also sounded as if a fellow student reported it, which is just outrageous.  What a horrible person.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing you talk about behind the person's back... not the kind of thing you tell the school about.

Amen to this.  Completely unnecessary and uncalled for.  I have no advice, but wish the best of luck to the OP. 

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Outline as I go.  There is no point in waiting until later in the semester.  You can do it from day one.  You'll probably learn the material better that way, and it will make exam period that much easier.

QFT.  Definitely going to be doing that.

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Law School Applications / Re: Penn 1L taking ?s
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:08:16 PM »
Glad to see you're still rocking the knight avatar.

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Law School Applications / Re: Pick one of two...
« on: December 20, 2008, 11:07:32 PM »
Lewis & Clark.

Cooley or University of Michigan?

Trick question.  Ave Maria.


ND or GW

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Which Rutgers is better?
« on: December 20, 2008, 03:14:43 PM »
It's amazing how merely crossing the Ben Franklin Bridge takes you from cool (Philly) to yuck (Camden).

I think the more amazing thing is that there are people who consider Philly "cool"

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: ITT: We Rejoice that Finals are OVER!
« on: December 20, 2008, 01:30:05 PM »
Way ahead of you.  I'm already reading and outlining for next quarter. 

You're just starting now?  Damn, someone's content with bottom half.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Which Rutgers is better?
« on: December 20, 2008, 01:12:24 AM »
Camden, but really, neither. Both are in NJ.

Speaking of Rutgers Camden... they actually allow some people to get in by submitting GRE scores... crazy isn't it?

Just what you'd expect from a shithole in NJ, that's all.

Actually I respected them a lot for trying to reform the law school admissions process. They actually invited me to apply--which equals guaranteed acceptance I assume--because I got a really high GRE score, and they wanted to see if people with really GRE scores could do equally as well as students with high LSAT scores. I never took up their offer just because it was late in the season I was already accepted elsewhere. But give them some credit for trying to change the admissions process. How much bull is it when the LSAT counts more than your GPA, i.e. a 5 hour test is more indicative of your ability than 4 years of college?? Furthermore, the LSAT doesn't really mean anything in terms of predicting how well you will do during 1L--even though LSAC swears it does. Tons of 2Ls and 3Ls have reaffirmed this notion.

Huh I guess I will trust the anecdotal evidence from 2l and 3ls instead of statistical correlation between LSAT score and firs tyear grades.....


And frankly it isnt bull at all that a better predictor counts more heavily.... in fact some might say that even makes sense...

It does make sense that schools will look more at what should be the better indicator. I think what gets most people is how much more they look at the better indicator.

If I remember right, the statistical correlation to first year grades that LSAC cites is .4 for the LSAT and .25 for UGPA, so neither is very strong and they're not that far apart.

Still, it never ceases to amaze me that you can functionally cancel out 4-5 years of being a fuckup in college with a 170+ LSAT.

So much hate...

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Chillin. Taking Questions.
« on: December 20, 2008, 01:09:41 AM »
D-dub, huh?

That was extremely subtle South Dakota trolling, considering nobody alive knows what state is west of Iowa but north of Nebraska.

Blatant Nebraska trolling.

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General Board / Re: Can Torts be Summarized in 10 Minutes?
« on: December 19, 2008, 11:08:28 PM »
There are law students in this world who have not done Hawkins v. McGee? Srsly?

Did you guys at least do Palsgraf? Acme Mills? McDonald's Coffee?

Let me think of our "famous" torts cases for first quarter:

Vosburg v. Putney?  Damage doesn't have to be foreseeable, eggshell skull rule.
Grabowski?  Invalid consent for ghost surgery.  Only consented for one doctor, not the other.
Desnick?  No liability for trespass.  There was implied consent, even though they filmed the clinic in ways they didn't like.
Figueiredo-Torres?  Outrageous conduct to have sex with wife while couple is in marriage counseling.  This is made especially worse because of the psychologist's duty (not duty in the negligence sense of the word, because this is an intentional tort).
Katko?  Can't use spring gun to defend property.  You can use force as a privilege, or defense, only when you use it to protect person from attack, not property.  Wild disproportion here.

. . . unified owner principle with a few cases.  Shows you the emphasis in Torts.

Ploof v. Putnam?  Private necessity is justified.  There are high transaction costs, reciprocity.
Menlove v. Vaughn?  This case is a personal favorite.  It eludicates the objective standard for a reasonable person and the attendant duty.
Carroll Towing?  This is it: B > PL
Rodi Yachts?  Custom can be a sword or shield.  I think it's a shield here and in TJ.
Byrne v. Boadle?  Res ipsa loquitor.  The BLL is that such a thing doesn't ordinarily occur but for negligence, in exclusive possession, and no contributory negligence from defendant.
Ryland v. Fletcher?  Strict liability.

. . . and a few others.  I hope this helps.

Good luck with Torts.  If all else fails, remember the four elements of negligence; make sure to cite a ton of cases; understand the pockets of strict liability in opposition to negligence (and the policy implications for SL, such as decreased activity levels and higher insurance premiums); and be sure to look out for intentional torts and intent as an element.

Yeah, of those we did Vosburg, Katko (our prof. used to teach at Iowa with the justice that wrote the dissent, he went on an awesome rant about it), Ploof, Carroll and Rylands.  Also Palsgraf, Tarasoff, Courvoisier and crazy ass Ybarra.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The LSAT has been my downfall
« on: December 19, 2008, 11:03:11 PM »
I would suggest a re-take. With that GPA your half at the door at top schools like H, Columbia, Stanford (Nice + with it coming from a top-tier school)...however your 151 is shutting you out of a lot of places. I would strongly suggest that you really try not to stigmatize yourself as a bad "standardized test taker" based on your previous experiences and retake the LSAT with a renewed attitude.

I did the same to myself when I started to prepare for the LSAT. I looked at how Blacks overall had performed on the LSAT and I said to myself "How can I expect to score well when a significant percentage of people from my racial background haven't done well on this exam?" However, I quickly found that they might not hold true for me because (a) I am hard worked (b) I will female dog slap the poo out of the LSAT.

With this new attitude I have increased my diag (low 150s) to my most recent PT score of 171. I am making great strides and I have only been at it for two months and I will be at it for several more. What I am saying is that you need to clear you head, know that you will get a good score, and work your ass off. The LSAT is a horrible means to measure your success and quality of merit in the admissions process...but that is how ish works.

Beast the exam...work at it.
1. Focus on your weaknesses.
2. Improve your strengths through repeated practice
3. Read dense scholarly journals in law, humanities and phyiscal and life science,
4. Do simulated PTs under extreme conditions (the nearest desk near the library entrance where there is enough noise to rattle your cage)
5. Complete PTs with 30 min as oppose to 35,
6. Go over the Powerscore Bibles at least twice with a fine tooth comb and refer to them when going over your wrong and correct answers when scoring your PTs
7. Take a PrepCourse (if you need a good foundation to start off from).
8. Commit to the journey...its long and hard but results will show up at the end.

I definitely support this advice.  Another thing I found very helpful was, once you're done with a practice test, go back through the answers that you got wrong and the ones you had trouble with, and write paragraphs to yourself explaining 1) why the answer you picked was wrong and 2) why the correct answer is right.  It's amazing how much it'll improve and reinforce your understanding of how the test works.  I believe it's the primary reason I ended up with the score I did.

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