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Current Law Students / Outlining Software
« on: July 08, 2008, 10:12:09 PM »
Hey there,

What software are you using (or plan to use) for outlining? I downloaded a trial version of Circus Ponies/NoteBook and it seems pretty decent. Does anyone have any experience with it? I'm also on a Macbook, if that makes a difference.


I sent a formal complaint (see Fire Alarm thread) to LSAC the Tuesday after the December test and received a confirmation email from them on that Friday.  Does anyone know how long it takes for them to review these and make a decision on what they are going to do?  Should I call or will they get annoyed? I know that my score is being held until it is resolved, but I would like a little bit of a timeline.  Thanks!

I spoke with LSAC yesterday. Was told that the rumour that scores will be released this Thursday is just that. A rumour.  ;) And that it typically takes at least two weeks and up to six weeks for them to investigate and close a complaint. They need to hear back from the proctors about the fire alarm issues and then will get back to us. I asked if I should go ahead an register for the Feb LSAT and was told to wait because having a complaint filed extends our deadlines for registration, cancellation, etc.

You should call, tho. If they were annoyed, I couldn't tell. Actually, they sounded happy to help.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 06, 2007, 11:39:54 AM »
Rohan, are you applying to CU and DU?  You seem like someone I would like to have as a classmate.   ;D

Aww.. thanks! And you, too!  ;) Yes, I am applying to both (as well as some schools in the Bay Area and Chicago. There's a small chance we may move to one of these markets over the summer. But hopefully, not). Initially, I planned on applying to DU FT, but might consider PT instead. But I want to see my score, first. Where were you sitting in the classroom? I was in the second circle, behind the desk area where we were thumbprinted. I had a direct view of the door. And that hat.  You can reply in a pm if you prefer.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Any Feb. Takers In Here?
« on: December 05, 2007, 07:11:07 PM »
I'm a strong maybe for Feb.. Despite the fire alarms and what-not, I'm not canceling my Dec. score. I'll wait it out and retake it if necessary.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 05, 2007, 06:52:27 PM »
Do schools even care what is  noted in your record? It seems like they would only care about the score.

Well, I think it depends.. on the programs you are applying to, on your other factors, etc. Again, unlike most of you, I am not applying to the T14 or even considering them. Where I go is dependent on my DH's job location and the best schools that area has to offer where I'd be competive. Why not the T14? (as I understand that's what most of you are shooting for due to job and $$ prospects after graduation. And besides, who wouldn't want to go there if the amount of debt you incur in law school is pretty much fixed regardless if it's T14 or TTT? So, I'm not knocking that choice). Also, unlike most of you guys and gals, I'm well into my 30's, with a spouse who has a well paying career. I am not facing the same kind of debt that you guys are, so I can pick a good regional school and incur modest debt.

Finally, some of the progams I am applying to are PT. They don't care about my score as much as the the FT programs do. But it still needs to be a good score!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 05, 2007, 05:50:59 PM »
While I really appreciate the indignation, I see this much the same way as Jeffort. While it's really an unfortunate circumstance, I most certainly do not want to include an addendum explaining that the fire alarm went off. What would I say? "Dear Sirs and Madames, Please know that my LSAT score most certainly would have been higher were it not for the fact the fire alarm went off during the exam." I think this (or anything basically communicating the same sentiment) sounds whiney and immature, IMO. And since I'm older, with A LOT of WE, it will really stand out as poorly planned.  If I were an adcomm, I'd think. "Hm.. well, why did you wait until December to take the admissions test for this cycle? That's not the best planning on your part. You should anticipate potential problems and mitigate them before the occur."  And then I could say, "Well, I had a baby at the end of June, and then I was diagnosed with a neuro disorder in August, I had another surgery in Nov. and well, dang. I just couldn't get my shite together to take Sept. in time." And while that's true, and would most certainly garner some sympathy for my situation of being a busy new mom who is always in and out of the Dr's office, it's not really relevant to my admissions cycle. Life gets in the way of your best plans. It happens all of the time, but everything has it's way of working out. I can't control everything.

What I do want is for LSAC to place a note in my file stating, "Applicant took the LSAT at a test site where fire alarms went off during the timed portion of the exam and all test takers were required to evacuate the building for at least 30 minutes."

In short, life happens. LSAC does not guarantee that any of us will get to take the LSAT under ideal or even best conditions. They can't guarantee it, even if they wanted to.  At most, if we follow the directions, show up at the appropriate time with the right pencils in hand, we are permitted to take the test. But really, while I'm sure they feel real badly about it, there isn't much they can do to guarantee that these things don't happen. They do seem to be pretty reasonable about looking into it, tho.

Ladivina - What about you? Are you doing an addendum?? I'm faxing my letter tonite. I didn't get a chance earlier this week.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 03, 2007, 03:34:40 PM »
So, has anyone spoken to LSAC yet?  I am going to call in a few minutes, and I'll let you know what happened.  Ugh.

Yes, I spoke with them today. They are aware that a fire alarm disrupted our test and that a number of test takers discussed the exam during the disruption and that a number of these students had ample time to change answers after discussing the exam.

Although they are aware of the situation, WE have to write our letter and ask for an investigation which will almost definitely delay the release of our scores. There is no automatic notation in our file, no letter explaining the circumstances under which we gave the test. The investigation will take longer than 6 days, so we will have the option to cancel our scores at the end of the investigation. However, if we choose to cancel, it will count as 'one of the three' we can take. It is possible that a letter will end up in our file, placed there by LSAC, but we have to request the investigation and there is no guarantee that this will happen. Also, if I request an investigation and you do not, and LSAC determines that it is appropriate to place a letter in my file, then you will NOT also receive a letter because you did not request an investigation.

I'm faxing my letter tonite. I am requesting a letter in my file that all adcomms will see explaining the unusual circumstances. I want this in there regardless of whether or not I cancel -- also, the suggested that I not cancel until I request the investigation and hear the results. I want to avoid writing an addendum.

So, get your letter together and fax it off! Let me know if they tell you something different. I also mentioned to them the horrible proctor and they were quite appalled that the proctor interrupted students during the timed portion of the test. I'll mention this in my letter as well.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 02, 2007, 10:19:13 AM »
To the OP: If we were in the same room, the fire alarm was not the only problem.  That proctor kept making a racket and actually went up to people in the middle of the test and made them get out their ID (not me) even though she hadn't told us to keep it out in the first place (I knew because it wasn't my first time ;). Ridiculous.  I am so mad and afraid that nothing will be resolved properly. ???

Oh, I think we might have been in the same room. Brazil? Orange hat? She was the worst! But since I have nothing to compare this experience with, it didn't occur to me until now that these irregularities are all that egregious. I spoke with my DH about all of it this morning (I told him about the fire alarm yesterday, but not the proctor stuff) and he was pretty appalled. For all of the restrictions they place on us for the exam, it's amazing that a proctor thinks nothing of interrupting students to see ID's once the test has begun, ripping open writing sample packets (grab a few pieces of paper, crinkle them up and imagine you're doing this in the middle of a silent room of test takers), scooting mail bins across desks, and heaving them onto other desks with a loud thud -- all of which occured during timed sections.

I was too stunned yesterday to be po'd, but now, I'm getting there. Also, I spent $100 yesterday on a sitter for our son (DH was taking another exam), plus in addition to testing materials, I have spent close to $500 sitter costs just to study and take practice tests for the December exam. What a waste! And now, I might have to do it all over again.

I almost forgot -- Just to further drive the point that our proctors were pretty unaware. During the time it takes to bubble in all of your personal data, the guy infront of me was apparently not too strong in his active listening skills. He opened the booklet to section 1, and left it open for about 10 minutes, would occasionally read it, go back to bubbling his bio-data, flip ahead to section 2. One of the proctors finally closed the booklet when she came by his desk to help him with something.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 01, 2007, 07:36:31 PM »
I wish that I were kidding.

I'm not sure what I am going to do about this cycle. This is my first LSAT; I am applying mostly to Tier 1 mid- and lower- end and have been scoring in the 160's. I probably scored in the mid 150's; I'm an older applicant/non-trad, so I'm also not in a huge rush, but would like to start in this fall and not next. There were a lot of folks retaking from Sept., or June and earlier exams and they were really banking on this one to be great. Can you imagine if this were the third time you were taking it? Oy!

Not too much time passed between the alarm going off and the proctor calling it quits. Maybe a minute at the most (know how a minute can feel v. v. loooong??) But, we were definitely worried that the rest of the test was going to be under these conditions and completely lost focus. I know that they are reporting it to LSAC, but I am going to file my complaint/issue/whatever it's called with them as well.

In the meantime, my plan is to drink wine. Lots of wine.  ;D

oh, and aside from the two minutes that were added back on so that we could complete section 4, no... we did not get extra time.

Studying for the LSAT / Fire alarm went off during LSAT
« on: December 01, 2007, 05:29:43 PM »


I guess this ought to be posted in "Horror Stories" but it doesn't seem like there is much activity over there.

The fire alarm went off in the building during section 4. At first, the proctor suggested that we just do our best to work through it. Work through it?? It with annoying flashing lights and a deafening alarm that is supposed to be so distracting you can't work?! Ha! By the time they stopped the section, we had about two minutes left on the clock. Sigh. Everyone evacuated and we stood outside for about 15 minutes in 30ish degree weather. The fire department showed up, and then we rambled back in for the last two minutes of section 4, section 5 and the writing sample.

It's so laughable, I'm having a hard time crying.

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