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Letter to Fordham was not binding, and based on facts that have changed in the interim.  

In short: you were telling the truth at the time the letter was sent.  You did nothing dishonest.

That being said:  I might consider going to Fordham, regardless.  The 3x better shot at Big Law makes paying off the extra debt a 5-8 year endeavor, following which you have a degree from Fordham and the chance for vastly superior income for the remainder of your career.

But...if you want public interest, then go to Brooklyn.

It's done.  I'm going.  Go Gophers!

(Of course, now I'm nervous that I'm making a horrible mistake and that I might end up living in Iowa for the rest of my life).

Anyway:  anyone have any good tips on Uptown apartment buildings?  Any general help on specific areas to live would be helpful.  3 blocks to the bus line would be ideal.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. Rutgers
« on: May 12, 2008, 07:30:52 AM »
It went well.

The weather on Saturday was pretty dreary, but the visit to the school was intersting.  An associate dean showed me and my fiancee around and talked to us for about 85 minutes, total.  I like that you are required to do either a journal or a moot court in 2L; it seems like no matter what you're going to come out of UMN with a decent sampling of briefs and resume fodder.

I asked about their future job prospects, and one thing that stuck out was that their incoming dean (former assistant dean, I believe, at Cornell and former member of the Clinton staff) will bring some "sparkle" to their reputation, and that he has some vision for expanding the reach of UMN grads national placement.  Also, they're looking to build a new law school in 5-6 years, it seems that the recent dip in the rankings are just a temporary blip, and things will be on the up and up now that a full time dean is in place.

The city is clean, easy to get around.  People are awfully friendly and helpful.  Coming from NYC, it will certainly be a change (most restaurants stop serving food at 10PM, which is a far cry from the late night scene here), but we liked the Uptown area and the nearby lakes.  I look forward to riding my bike every day on their huge network of bike paths.

So...I mailed my deposit.  That's that.  Now I have to withdraw from Rutgers, which is fine...but oddly kind of sad.

Agreed.  I'm probably headed to UMN, and I don't expect to get much action from the east coast when I graduate.

That being said, with schools ranked in this region (sub T-14/upper Tier 1), getting a decent job in the region that they reside should be relatively easy, compared to schools in the second tier.  UMN and Madison have a slight advantage over BC, perhaps because they are the top schools in their markets, while BC is tied for 2nd in Boston with BU.  That being said, average salaries in Boston are probably higher than in Twin Cities/Wisconsin.

Where do you want to live?  That's really the only important factor here.  Alleviating $45,000 in debt isn't worth living somewhere you don't want to be.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. Rutgers
« on: May 09, 2008, 10:27:31 AM »
From what I understand, the above poster is correct.  There simply aren't that many ESL teachers in the area. 

Here's an article about it.  Apparently the rate of non-English speaking immigration to Minneapolis/St. Paul is much higher than the national average:

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. Rutgers
« on: May 09, 2008, 08:30:27 AM »
Oh, I'm 95% sure we'll end up there.  The job options for my fiancee (she's an ESL teacher) are vastly better in the Twin Cities than almost anywhere else in the country.  Plus, her continuing ed options would be fantastic.  It's cheaper living, more outdoors stuff to do, and a better school with better job options.

The only downsides are increased debt (we have some savings we'll use to ward off some of the COL expenses, so even this won't be overly bad.) and being far away from family.  But...hey, if we don't make a move now, we'll never leave the Northeast, and we're both a little sick of the Northeast.  Also, down the road 5-8 years, I think I'd have a pretty good chance at moving back (if we want to) with a degree from UMN and job experience.  A degree from Rutgers?  Eh. Not quite as much.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. Rutgers
« on: May 08, 2008, 12:25:42 PM »
Come on, man!  Go to UMN!  We can b-tch and moan about our wives and debt together.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota vs. Rutgers
« on: May 08, 2008, 08:26:06 AM »
Oh, hey.  Sorry about my absence.

Re: the $$ -

I simply called the office and spoke to a lady there.  She listened to me explain my concerns about the cost of attending.  I expressed genuine interest in going to UMN, and said that I was weighing an offer from Rutgers that would allow me to graduate with minimal debt.  I told her that I realize the reputation of the two schools were vastly different, but being a non-trad, I have a future wife and kids in the near future.  She told me she'd pass the info along.

2 days later, a male adcomm left me a voice mail saying they upped the scholarship.  It wasn't a huge upgrade, but it was a big deal to me and my fiancee, for the effort they put in to lure me as much as for the dollars involved.  He's also coming out on a Saturday to show me around this weekend, which is really thoughtful. 

As for in state:  she said that it is indeed possible for the 2nd and 3rd year, but you have to prove to the board that you intend to stick around.  I asked if being married to a public school teacher who works in the MN public schools would help, and she said absolulely, as would buying property.  She also said some folks even get money awarded retroactively, but that's rare.

mpk1516: how was your visit?

Any thoughts on my admissions situation? Applied early March and I'm still "in review"...

At this point, I would call the office.  It's down to the wire, and while you submitted your app late, you also need to know what's going on for next year.  I'm sure they'll understand and recognize that you're not just being a pest. 

FWIW, when I called about my scholarship, I had 2 different people call me back within a few days to get back to me.  They seem really responsive. 

Just be prepared for less-than-great news, and rehearse a "Well, if there's anything I can do to improve my chances...Thanks anyway!" spiel, just in case.

Good Luck!

I'm visiting the school next weekend (May 10th/11th), and the admissions people are having one of their assistant deans meet with me and show me around.  Being by myself might give an interesting perspective (especially right at the end of finals...I'm hoping for female streakers).  If anyone has any questions they'd like me to ask, let me know.

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