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Incoming 1Ls / Re: University of Minnesota 2011 -- The real U of M...
« on: June 18, 2008, 07:09:41 AM »
Honestly, why don't you just call the career services office at UMN Law.

Yea, but if a student from the third quartile at UMN is having trouble getting a job, it's not unreasonable to assume that a student in the 3rd quartile at SMU will have an even tougher time.

Well, it's the question that we all face (those of us not going to a T-14, anyway).

By your calculations, which are probably close to being correct, you would have a 2.5x chance at getting a "desirable" job at Rutgers than at Toledo.  I guess the question then is: what makes you think it would be easier to be in the top 10% at Toledo vs. the top 25% at Rutgers? 

Debt is obviously an issue, but even going to Toledo, you'll still have some debt (living expenses and the like).  How much?  Sure, you might graduate around the median and have to work $40K/yr for the next 5 years, and that would suck worse than having extra debt, because that's it: that's your career.  Game over. 

Here's the thing though: there's a difference between being realistic and being a pessimist.  You seem to assume you're going to end up around the median.  At either place, that's not going to cut it.  I would say Rutgers would give you a slightly better chance to land a decent job, maybe with some extra networking and footwork, than Toledo.  Regardless: if you're so convinced that you will only be able to be a 2nd tier student at a 2nd (or 3rd) tier law school, why even go that route? 

Personally, my opinion is that I want to give myself the largest window to succeed, and that means going to the best school I got into, with debt as a secondary, not primary, consideration.  Within reason, of course.  Rutgers with instate is pretty darn cheap, all things considered.  It would also give you the best shot to land a job that can propel your legal career.  Isn't that what this whole process is about?  If you were hell-bent on living in Toledo, or SL, than I would say otherwise, but it seems like you're putting the cart before the horse.  Sure, you might have less debt, but you'll still be 3 years older and 40K in the hole.  Imagine the regret if you graduate from Toledo in the bottom of the 1st quartile and can't find a job. 

I think you're smart to be weighing options, and you can't really go "wrong" at either place given your situation, but don't outsmart yourself.

relax, it takes awhile for people to post around here.

I would go to Rutgers unless you really like St. Louis. 2 reasons:

1) The school is the best known, and has a very solid local reputation.  I can't speak for Toledo or SLU, but R-Camden places about as well as any 2nd tier school in Biglaw and Clerkships.  It also has a somewhat larger range than those other schools; you could work in Philly, throughout New Jersey, Delaware, and if you do well, NYC.  Also, the area around the school isn't as bad as you think it might be.  Parts of SL and Toledo are much worse. 
2) Philly really isn't that expensive.  Plus, you wouldn't live in Philly, you would simply go there on the weekends for fun with the 10 minute train ride.  COL will be slightly more expensive there, but you will also have a lot more options for fun than in frigging Toledo or even SL.

So...we're getting IBM/Lenovo computers, eh?  Good. Glad it's not Dell.

Go to Rutgers.

Best reputation, solid tier-2 placement in Philly and New Jersey, cheap COL, and they give you instate after 1 year guaranteed. 

Have you done anything (graduated, gotten promoted, won an award) since your last LOCI?

I think you should write one, and you should focus on a recent event/accomplishment to make it more notable than just "I'm still waiting for you!"

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Brooklyn or St. John's?
« on: May 21, 2008, 01:05:28 PM »
St. Johns:  I would live in either Queens or Long Island (assuming you have a car).

Brooklyn:  Live in a Brooklyn neighborhood.

Forget Hoboken, it's too expensive and far away for your needs.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Brooklyn or St. John's?
« on: May 21, 2008, 10:32:55 AM »

I've lived in Brooklyn for 7 years, and worked that long in Manhattan.

Your first problem is, seriously, finding an apartment that will allow you to have 3 dogs.  I know that sounds ludicrous, but just be aware it might take awhile to find someplace that you like and allows dogs.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Syracuse vs. T4s
« on: May 21, 2008, 08:18:12 AM »
I'm going to respond, even though this might be a flame...

1) Do not go to law school with plans to transfer.  There are a few reasons for this.  First and foremost, you need to be in the top 10% or so to have a shot of transferring to a school that is notably superior to the one you are already attending.  Already, this raises a serious question: if you're top of the class, even at a lesser law school, wouldn't your career options be better than if you went to a somewhat higher ranked school and ended up at their median?  With schools below the top 25 or so, it basically boils down to being in the top 15% of the class.  Syracuse, Rutgers, whatever.  If you're already in that rarified air, no need to switch out.  Secondly, there is precious little chance that you'd be able to transfer to a top 50 school coming out of Syracuse, much less a top 14 like Georgetown.  Seriously, you'd probably have to be in the top 3 people in your class and be on law review to stand a chance.

2) The reputation/career difference between Syracuse and the other schools you mention does not merit the huge cost difference.  You'd be essentiall paying 300% of the tuition for a 5% boost in reputation. 

3) All of those schools will allow you to get a decent job in the local law community if you graduate in the top 25% of the class or so.   So, again, unless you have a raging hard-on to work in Syracuse, don't go to Syracuse.  Likewise for the others.

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