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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC ... what do you think?
« on: December 28, 2007, 10:14:42 PM »
If Purdue is this so elite why isn't it even ranked in the top 50 universities?  Why are their SAT scores the SAME as Indiana's?

Indiana is more of a liberal arts school than a heavy science school (although Indiana, not Purdue, has the medical school).  You know there are other majors than engineering right?

I hate to tell you this, but Purdue is far from an elite school.  I am sorry but an average incoming SAT score of 1145 is not 'elite'.  Obviously at the same time I am saying Indiana is far from an elite school because our average incoming SAT is only 1146.  Again, that is far from elite.  The SAT numbers alone should tell you there is very little difference between the two universities.  But somehow Purdue is 'elite'?

As far as engineering goes Purdue isn't even the best in the state, that honor goes to Rose-Hulman.  The ONLY elite school in the state is Notre Dame.

From a personal standpoint, the only two undergraduate schools I applied to were Indiana and Purdue, and I was accepted to both.  The main reason I chose Indiana is the fact that I wanted to major in accounting and finance, and Indiana's undergraduate business program is FAR superior to Purdue's school of management.  Also, the environment at Indiana is much better in my mind.

1145-1146 SAT scores, but yet one school is superior?  Neither school is even a top 50 school (I personally think only the top 25 or so schools are 'elite')

ok. you have no cred. rose doesn't hold a candle to purdue. rose is a wannabe. and it's not about entering student test scores. it's about the program rankings. i really don't care what a kid accomplished in high school.

notre dame?

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC ... what do you think?
« on: December 28, 2007, 06:54:01 PM »
I can honestly say that UIUC (and Purdue) ahve the ugliest campuses I have ever seen.  The campuses and environments are TERRIBLE.  With that said, UIUC is a good school and has smart students.  I am still considering it for the class of 11, but the campus is TERRIBLE.

So, if Indiana is a community college, what does that make Purdue?  Purdue is a good school, but to act like it is an elite school is RIDICULOUS.  From the Indianapolis Star: 

"Indianapolis Star, Aug. 31 -- Purdue University admitted fewer students this year, an incoming class that scored higher SAT scores than its freshmen last year. The university didn't see the same dramatic increase in caliber of its freshmen that Indiana University did this week but said it was nonetheless pleased with the overall upward trend. The average SAT score of incoming freshmen at Purdue increased by three points to 1,145 on math and reading, a respectable gain eclipsed by IU's 25-point leap to 1,146 this year. Both schools reported a record-high number of applications and higher rate of rejection as a result."
the uiuc campus is hideous. but i will take any comment about purdue from an indiana student with a grain of salt. oh, and IU is pretty much a community college."

Indiana actually announced their numbers a day before Purdue, so it wasn't a case of funny math. 

You know for a FACT, that the Purdue campus doesn't come close to the Indiana campus.  I made my statement because the Purdue campus is pretty similar to the Illinois campus (though I must admit the Illinois campus is worse).  I respect Purdue as an institution, and think the two schools are very compatible.  The two school strengths are in opposite subject matters.  Purdue people like to think they are an elite public university and that is FAR from the case.

actually, i can't stand IU's campus. it's not functional at all. granted, i think UI's is one of the biggest eyesores in the big ten. they have major roads everywhere, and are so spread out that you might as well drive to class. oh, and if the wind is blowing the wrong way.....the place smells like a toilet. IU's campus isnt' the gorgeous campus IU students make it out to be. it's ok. but nothing great.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: UIUC ... what do you think?
« on: December 28, 2007, 01:25:05 AM »
I can honestly say that UIUC (and Purdue) ahve the ugliest campuses I have ever seen.  The campuses and environments are TERRIBLE.  With that said, UIUC is a good school and has smart students.  I am still considering it for the class of 11, but the campus is TERRIBLE.

the uiuc campus is hideous. but i will take any comment about purdue from an indiana student with a grain of salt. oh, and IU is pretty much a community college.

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Law School Applications / Re: My Public UG Was Somewhat Competitive
« on: December 24, 2007, 04:38:17 AM »
Top schools pre select.  Many of these pre selective schools feel that since their students are all very bright that there is no need to give them bad grades, which explains very high overall GPA's at top schools. 

couldn't have said it better myself.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: How do you perceive the state of WI??
« on: December 22, 2007, 12:46:15 AM »


Wisconsin just seems incredibly average to me. it doesn't have the "it" factor like, Texas, New York, Florida, California, etc.

I'll give you those states (although there is sure as hell nowhere in Florida I'd rather live) and a handful of others for an indescribable "it" factor, whatever that means.  But Wisconsin is most assuredly not average.  They are unmatched in cheese and beer production and consumption.  This alone is enough to place Wisconsin in a class of its own.

The sports scene is top-notch.  Yeah, they love them some Packers, but few schools have the all-around competitiveness of UW.  Basketball.  Hockey.  Football.  Volleyball.  Cross-country.  Soccer.  They've got it all.  The Brewers may suck, but they have a sweet ballpark and a lot of fan support.  And who doesn't want to watch a 7 foot Chinese dude try to be a pro basketball player in Milwaukee?

Speaking of Milwaukee, it's not the greatest city in the world, but it could be worse.  It could be Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland.  Or, God forbid, Detroit. And Madison is only the most rocking 200,000 person city of all time.

And finally, if you didn't grow up in lake country, you'll probably never understand.  But Wisconsin is surpassed only by Minnesota in number and quality of these serene wonders of nature.  Can't beat that.

I will probably be leaving Wisconsin at the end of this year, probably for a place with more "it".  But I'll miss it, and I could see myself back here eventually.

hey, i'm with you. i love wisconsin. my family has a cabin up near hayward that we visit almost every year. it's beautiful up there, and is the best place to just relax and get away from everything that may be bothering you. i'm also a big fan of milwaukee.  i'm not really sure why..i just like it there. that said, while you're looking to move FROM wisconsin, i'm looking to move TO wisconsin. i love the state, and anyone who has never been there, won't get it.

the biggest thing i have against WI is the packers.

also, florida does not have that "it." neither does texas. if you've been to texas (and don't live there), texas is an awful state with little to offer. just because a state has warm weather doesn't make that state special.

I have a cabin just south of Hayward.  I'm not sure if WI is for everybody, but I do know I personally have a love affair with the place.  I've lived in the Southwest for the last three years, and I am ready to get back to the land of Leinie's, the Packers, and the best cheddar cheese in the world.

hayward rocks (a little backwards though). much of the state just seems so laid back compared to other places i've been. if only i could have wisconsin without the packers... BEAR DOWN!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: How do you perceive the state of WI??
« on: December 20, 2007, 01:00:57 AM »


Wisconsin just seems incredibly average to me. it doesn't have the "it" factor like, Texas, New York, Florida, California, etc.

I'll give you those states (although there is sure as hell nowhere in Florida I'd rather live) and a handful of others for an indescribable "it" factor, whatever that means.  But Wisconsin is most assuredly not average.  They are unmatched in cheese and beer production and consumption.  This alone is enough to place Wisconsin in a class of its own.

The sports scene is top-notch.  Yeah, they love them some Packers, but few schools have the all-around competitiveness of UW.  Basketball.  Hockey.  Football.  Volleyball.  Cross-country.  Soccer.  They've got it all.  The Brewers may suck, but they have a sweet ballpark and a lot of fan support.  And who doesn't want to watch a 7 foot Chinese dude try to be a pro basketball player in Milwaukee?

Speaking of Milwaukee, it's not the greatest city in the world, but it could be worse.  It could be Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland.  Or, God forbid, Detroit. And Madison is only the most rocking 200,000 person city of all time.

And finally, if you didn't grow up in lake country, you'll probably never understand.  But Wisconsin is surpassed only by Minnesota in number and quality of these serene wonders of nature.  Can't beat that.

I will probably be leaving Wisconsin at the end of this year, probably for a place with more "it".  But I'll miss it, and I could see myself back here eventually.

hey, i'm with you. i love wisconsin. my family has a cabin up near hayward that we visit almost every year. it's beautiful up there, and is the best place to just relax and get away from everything that may be bothering you. i'm also a big fan of milwaukee.  i'm not really sure why..i just like it there. that said, while you're looking to move FROM wisconsin, i'm looking to move TO wisconsin. i love the state, and anyone who has never been there, won't get it.

the biggest thing i have against WI is the packers.

also, florida does not have that "it." neither does texas. if you've been to texas (and don't live there), texas is an awful state with little to offer. just because a state has warm weather doesn't make that state special.

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Law School Applications / Re: how accurate are the admissions calculators?
« on: December 16, 2007, 08:34:08 PM »
thanks for the responses. i guess i'm just going to have to wait and see. my numbers aren't common enough for me to determine much of anything (as i can't seem to come across anyone with a gpa as low as mine with an lsat at 163). it's frustrating, but whatever.

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Law School Applications / Re: how accurate are the admissions calculators?
« on: December 16, 2007, 04:38:52 AM »
It soooooooooooooo depends on the school and your soft factors. Some schools weight things differently (Columbia seems to weigh the LSAT more, Boalt Hall the GPA), and some are obsessed with undefined soft factors (see Stanford Law School at Law School Numbers, they can reject someone with a 3.9+ and 175+ and admit multiple people with 3.8's and 170s? What are they looking for?). If you are a 'mainstream' candidate (non-URM, middle to upper class, 0-2 years work experience), then these things may be more relevant (altho not at all perfect) and can be a (very) rough guide to where to apply. But if you have something different to offer, then do not be afraid to aim higher than these calculations advise.

Honestly assess yourself and what you have to offer. If you have a 3.1 and a 163 and average soft factors, maybe Harvard is out of reach. But don't let the #'s control everything; if you have a special story to tell, something unique to offer, don't let these calculators prevent you from applying to somewhere you really want to go.

This isn't the reason the calculators are bad (and they are bad).

The Chiasu and LSAC things suck because the regression analysis they use seems to treat LSAT and GPA as independent variables--i.e. a 165/3.5 applicant's chances are estimated by multiplying the past performance of applicants with a 165 times the probability of applicants with a 3.5, which is obviously stupid since LSAT and GPA do not correlate very strongly.

In order for an admissions calculator to work effectively, it would have to use data based on the LSAT and GPA combinations of actual past applicants.

The best approximations of this sort of tool currently available are LSN and the admissions charts some schools publish online.

the issue i have is that there are very few applicants on LSN with my numbers (horrible UGPA due to stupidity during freshman year, and decent enough LSAT[163] for the schools to which i want to apply...low T2 schools, mostly). i know that these things don't factor in things such as grade trends, soft factors, and whatnot, but i can't stand not knowing anything about my chances of getting into schools. i go insane having zero idea as to what's going to happen.

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Law School Applications / Re: IN AT COOLEY!!!! W/ $$$$!!!!
« on: December 16, 2007, 03:37:10 AM »
some of us can only dream of getting into the #16 school in the country. congrats.

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Law School Applications / how accurate are the admissions calculators?
« on: December 16, 2007, 03:23:24 AM »
i have looked at the LSAC calculator and the chiasu one, and was just wondering if anyone knows how accurate these actually are? for some reason i just don't really trust them.

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