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Taking questions, I've been at American since the summer.

Also, I have a law school blog available at http://wikilaw.blogspot.com that has a good bit of information about law school, and what it is like to be in DC.


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Pre-Law in high school / Re: UF VS. FSU
« on: September 05, 2007, 01:39:11 PM »
If this is your example of critical reading, my god. Do you comprehend the fact that it's a NICKNAME? That it's "REFERRED TO" as "THE HARVARD OF THE SOUTH". For fucks sake, nobody is saying it is Harvard, or that it is the same competition for Harvard. They're saying that it's the best school in the region. Jesus, read critically for once....

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Law School Applications / Re: Q+A and Guide for 1L's to be.
« on: September 03, 2007, 08:51:33 PM »
btt for great justice.

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Law School Applications / Re: Q+A and Guide for 1L's to be.
« on: August 27, 2007, 11:15:55 AM »
how was the 1st week?  what did you wish youd done in preparation?

Wish I got a place that was closer to the school. I'm 5 miles away which means, I have to transfer from the green line train to the red line train, and then take a shuttle. It takes about 45 minutes to an hour, and I can't really study on the way there.

I've been doing good about staying ahead of the reading, which is the biggest regret I hear from most people.

If I had a regret, I kind of wish that I had bought some of my supplemental books earlier.

I really don't have many regrets though.

The first week was fun. Some people like to do their work at home, for the next class session. Because I live kinda far away and it's annoying to take my books on the metro, I've been devoting Monday and Tuesday to doing all my readings for the entire week, through the next monday. It's good because then I have the weekend to myself and I can do things like attend seminars (free pizza!), or get involved with SBA, etc. Having that flexibility, instead of being like "*&^%, I can't do what I want because I have to study every day" is nice. You still do all your studying, but the suckage is limited to just one day.

I'm sure that study scheme won't work for everyone, but it worked well for me over the summer course and it works well so far in the fall courses.


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Law School Applications / Re: Q+A and Guide for 1L's to be.
« on: August 27, 2007, 01:29:50 AM »
bttp1

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Law School Applications / Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« on: August 27, 2007, 01:25:29 AM »
Forgot to mention to the OP some great advice I received before making a decision: Imagine you will perform near the median of the class no matter what school you go to.

It was suggested to me that if one cannot earn admission to a top 25 law school, the next best thing is to graduate in the top 10% of a school ranked 26 - 50. I am speaking of career prospects in a major urban center here. Does this make sense? Of course, I think this discussion will have to exclude the very elite schools. I'm not going to suggest that the top of the American University class will be viewed by hiring partners the same way as a Yale graduate.

The reason why I discuss this is that I am very seriously considering the University of Florida. I believe that I am a very good candidate for admission and the in-state tuition is ridiculous. I liked the area and the campus when I visited there. Plus, I really do like living in Florida. I do not, however, want to completely eliminate the prospect of employment in the Northeast, or possibly Chicago. I am not being so presumptuous as to guarantee my placement in the top 10% should I be given the opportunity to attend UF, but I am haunted by the thought that I will forever lose my freedom to choose to live elsewhere. Thank you for any feedback you can provide.

By Northeast, do you mean NYC and Boston?  NYC is more forgiving to out-of-towners, and 10% would probably get you some interviews.  Regardless, top 10% will get you a solid job in the Southeast and will not preclude you from going to NYC in the future if you desire.

Going to top 25 or so schools in the region you're interested in will allow you to place lower in your class to have the same career prospects as someone from outside the region.  But keep the cost in mind, especially if you are financing your education with loans.  In my opinion, better to have little to no debt from Florida than full tuition/nonresident loans from Iowa, Minnesota, WUST, Vanderbilt, Fordham, George Washington, Boston College, Boston University, Notre Dame, Illinois, etc.

I have to disagree. Some of those schools you mentioned are just outside the T14 and are worth the extra debt. Law school is a life long investment.

Better as corrected?  Regardless, if you have $150K in debt from these schools and then decide you hate billing 2000 hours a year, you are locked in to a lot of unhappy work.  I think having no debt keeps the options open more, but again, it's just a matter of opinion.

And that's exactly, it, it's a matter of opinion and different people will have different ideas. Not just in employment as well, but what happens if you attend one of the higher cost schools and find out you hate it? Or, as the other poster said, you go to a lower cost, less prestigious school and find yourself losing out on employment prospects.

If you're in a law school you hate, your grades will suffer, hurting your prospects as well, something tot hink about.

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Law School Applications / Re: Chances of $$ from DC area schools?
« on: August 26, 2007, 06:52:02 PM »
American should offer something nice.

GW might.

Georgetown, no.

TBH American has a kinda limited scholarship supply. Except for the PILRAP 100% loan repayment deal, which is siiiiick.

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Law School Applications / Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« on: August 26, 2007, 06:50:42 PM »
SWAT, it's obvious that you have a vested interest in promoting UF's law school- perhaps that is because that is where you are going.  It doesn't matter to me.  The issue is UF vs FSU, and FSU is decicively ranked higher than UF, so you might as well accept this fact and realize that the fact that UF's admin gives out free lollipops in the waiting room does little to boost its standing in the "real world."


Apparently you haven't read my thread, nor my blog, which explicitly states I go to American University, in Washington. Yes, I got into UF, and FSU law. FSU was never a consideration once I got into UF.

Fact is UF is ranked higher, especially in next years rankings when the S/F ratio numbers settle (they were artificially inflated because UF combined their fall and spring class into a single class, which affected the rankings.) FSU has always been ranked significantly lower than UF: in fact 47 to 52 is the closest that FSU has ever come.

You'll note that even DC and NY biglaw firms hire UF grads. They don't generally recruit for FSU.

It sounds like you've made your mind up without attempting to consider the facts.

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Law School Applications / Re: T25 vs. top 10% in T26 - 50
« on: August 26, 2007, 02:02:22 AM »
To the UF, FSU rebuttal: What does interactions with the adminsistration really have to do with it?  As long as FSU gets the jobt done, which I assume they do, who cares?  At the end of the day FSU is a better law school.  Case closed.


But I, too, have a question (somewhat related).  For schools such as Penn, who doesn't rank students, what is the deal?  They still give out grades.  Do employers just not care?  Or do they themselves estimate your given rank soley based on what your grades are?



Uh....no. FSU is decidedly not a better law school, case not closed.

As for what interactions with the administration have to do with it? When you need career services, you have to interact with the administration. When you register, you need the administration. When you get financial aid, you need the administration. When you attend seminars, you deal with the administration. The fact is, you have an extensive amount of contact with the administrative staff in law school, significantly more than you do in undergrad. In undergrad, with the exception of my VA certification paperwork, I went to the university center (where the admin offices are) twice between 2001 and 2007. Once to pay a ticket and pick up my graduation tickets, and once to petition for readmission when I was disenrolled after spending 3 semesters in Iraq.

If you attend UF or FSU's law school how would you know what the administrations are like?

Well considering that you deal with them every day, from the undergrad, through the admissions process. Or if you're referring to me specifically, I went to FSU, and I have a family member that is a visiting lecturer at UF law.

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Law School Applications / Re: Which law schools should I apply to?
« on: August 26, 2007, 02:00:10 AM »
Thank you to all who replied.
I am indeed taking a prep class (it starts Sept 1st and ends the week before the LSAT) but I'm trying to be realistic and not get my hopes up, which is why I think I may get around a 145.
So basically you are all saying if I get around a 145 I have no chances? Not even at St. John's? Or Hofstra?

Thanks again for the help!

No, you'll have chances. Especially being a minority. (Unless by minority you mean Asian; Asians don't get much of a bump, if any).

this guy got into Cooley, IU-I, UDM, Nova, and a couple others with a 141 average.

The thing is, if you can get that score up 10 points you'll have better opportunities. If you can get up into the 150s you'd have a shot at some lower Tier 1s or Tier 2s.

pcc241 got into American and Emory with a 3.38/158

k32 got into American PT and Marquette (T2) with 3.2/154

this one got into American, Temple with $$$, Emory with $$$, and Fordham with a 3.1/155

American, Loyola (Chi) and Arizona with a 155

George Washington with $$$ with a 155

If you can get that score up just ten points and you're hispanic, native american or black, you're going to be much better off than you will be with a 145. I mean no disrespect to Cooley, Nova or any of the other T4 schools but your employment prospects are going to be better out of American than they are out of Cooley.

If you can't get your LSAT up into the 150s before September, you're better off postponing for a year, getting some WE and trying again next year.

Your employment opportunities out of American are going to be good regardless. But I'm biased, from going there.

Apply to UDC, or whatever the equivalent is in NY. If you can get into a school like that (should be possible if you can bump your LSAT up a bit, and have something on your resume that helps, i.e. diversity, leadership exp.) your employment chances will be pretty good to get into an adequate firm, assuming you don't @#!* up in law school.

I'm a SWATjester fan, and I didn't go to American, so I'm a little out of my depth here, but it seems like a dangerously strong statement to say your employment opportunities out of American are going to be good regardless.....  SWAT, can you provide some additional info to qualify this please.  What types of opportunities are available to the bottom quarter of the WCL class?

Probably bad ones. I should have clarified that better.

I'm assuming that most people that are here are going to be in at least the top 50% of their class. Obviously the top 10% will be doing extremely well, and given the sheer number of DC/MD/NOVA firms that do OCI at American.

If you're in the bottom %25 of your class, your opportunities are going to suck no matter where you go. But then again, 75% of the class is not in the bottom quarter, right?

I do know of a couple of deans fellows at american who self-admit to be somewhere in the middle of their class, and two of them will be working at Biglaw firms, and the third got a comfy SA with a small but successful K street lobbying firm.

I guess what I'm saying is that Washington has a lot of job opportunities available, and even for people that are not going to be in the top 10-15% of their class, there are still good job opportunities for them.

Beyond that, at American, because of the heavy focus on public interest law, there are a lot of people who do the Marshall Brennan project, which teaches ConLaw to high school students in DC, or go into public interest law to take advantage of the PILRAP loan repayment plan (work in a public interest position, they pay your student loans off).


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