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General Board / Re: Question on Tiers...
« on: July 28, 2007, 12:57:41 AM »
Wow.  I asked an honest question here. 

Since you like numbers........

(1)  I did mean UPENN, thank you.  As I stated, when you are a single mom, you don't move a little girl who is happy in her school across the country from her family.  I kicked and screamed and really agonized about my decision, but alas, I am staying in Oregon.

(2)  It might surprise you that here in Oregon, we are pretty civilized and quite abit of legal matters happen here.  Last I looked, I don't think Michigan was the legal mecca of the world either.

(3) High gpa and high LSAT scores do not equal intelligence.  In fact, some of the stupidest people I have met have 4.0 gpa's.  Great gpa's mean a couple of things:  You know how to navigate the undergrad game, and you know how to barf back prof's answers on a test. I suppose that takes a certain amount of intelligence in itself, but it does not mean that a high gpa and LSAT means that person is more intelligent. 

(4) Look, I didn't mean to pick a fight.  It's just interesting the amount of snobbery that goes on regarding this subject.  So it seems if I boil it down, PALuff is saying it comes down to portability and working for a megafirm (or the ability too).  Got it.  Thanks fpr breaking it down for this simpleton.

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General Board / Re: One of those "What are my Chances?" threads
« on: July 27, 2007, 07:23:24 PM »
I assume you will be applying for law school this fall, for acceptance fall of 2008?  If this is the case, 6-12 weeks study is sufficent.  I think December would be a good target date for you to take the LSAT's.  You don't really want to take them later than that.

I cannot stress the importance of this test.  I think it's terribly evil myself.  It does not test "smarts" or even logic.  It tests how well you work under time constraints and pressure.  It's standardized, so if you are like me, it may read like greek.

It's funny because people say that the logic games are the place to improve your score, and they most often tank that area.  However, I scored perfect in my logic game section.  Scored high on the reading comprehension and then tanked the logic and reasoning section.  Weird.   But prep, prep, prep for the test.  If you want to insure acceptance to a specific school, this is your key.

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General Board / Question on Tiers...
« on: July 27, 2007, 07:03:11 PM »
In reading through these posts, there seems to be a HUGE emphasis on the tier ratings of the schools.  It's almost a snobbery that goes on and it confuses me.

I am going to be honest here.  I am admitted to a T4 school (was T3, but dropped this last year).  The school is Willamette University.  Willamette has a huge and powerful reputation in Oregon.  Several US Senators, Reps, Federal Court Judges, and 2 current Oregon Supreme Court Justices are alumni.  Willamette has wonderful intern/externship opportunities with county/state/and large private firms.  Their ADR program is ranked 6th in the nation.  Oh, and did I mention that they are the oldest university west of the Mississippi.  Their facaulty are graduates of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and so on and most have actually practiced law.

Yet, I have had several people on boards look at the tier rating and urge me to look at other schools.  I am wondering why that is?

In addition, several posters have turned their noses up at Cooley and other schools in the T4 ranking.

I guess my point is that the law is a competitive occupation and it is very elite.  There are limited seats available, with only about what 190 law schools in the nation.  Many people never make it into law school because they cannot get accepted.  So why the snobbery?

I actually chose Willamette over a Tier 1 school.  Why many have asked?  Because I am a single mom and I need help with my daughter.  My family is here, not in Pennsylvania.  My daughter comes first. And frankly, I have no intentions of leaving the Pacific Northwest, so it makes sense to go to a regional school.

Anyway, can someone explain the snobbery to me?

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General Board / Re: One of those "What are my Chances?" threads
« on: July 27, 2007, 06:54:35 PM »
It does not come down to GPA alone.  Have you taken the LSAT's yet.  A large part of acceptance is this annoying little test.

Is immigration law what you plan to practice?  Granted, seeing firsthand how a small firm works and day to day life of an attorney is invaluable.

However, I in a since screwed myself last year as a senior.  I was working 3/4 time, doing my senior thesis, and raising my child.  This equaled having no time to study for my LSAT's.  They weren't horrible, but they weren't great either.  Scoring 4-6 points higher would have opened a few more options for me.  My advice would be to concentrate wholy on your studies and studying for your LSAT's.

BTW:  If you have not started studying now, don't even attempt to take them in September.  If you have not started studying for your LSAT's, start now for testing in December.   You need a minimum of 6 full weeks of studying and taking timed tests to succeed.

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General Board / Re: Who should I choose the Easy/Hard Teacher?
« on: July 27, 2007, 01:26:31 PM »
My experience has been that harder professors stretch you more and you actually learn more.  I would personally choose the harder professor.  In the past, when I have done this, I have surprised myself.

But ultimately you need to decide:  Is learning something well more important to you, or is the end grade more important? You are paying alot for your educational experience, so only you can answer which is more important.

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General Board / Re: 1L Case Briefs
« on: July 27, 2007, 01:19:06 PM »
Our legal methods department sent out in the pre-orientation packet a recommendation to read:

"Law School without Fear:  Strategies for Success" by Helene Shapo and Marshall Shapo. 

In it is a chapter on briefing a case.  I found it very informative.  I actually found the whole book informative.  The writers are actual law professors who used the experience of one of the children attending law school, and their own experiences of teaching to craft this book.  I highly recommend it.

I actually feel pretty confident about briefing.  In undergrad, I took a Con Law class, where the prof was a recent grad of a law school.  She made us brief each and every case.  It's not very mysterious.

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General Board / Re: Blogging the Law School Experience?
« on: July 27, 2007, 01:13:49 PM »
I have not read any yet.  But thanks for the site links.  What I can tell you is that I am an entering 1L and I have already started blogging.  Mostly about my thoughts and feelings leading up to orientation.  This is more for me than anything, although it is public.

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General Board / Re: Loan Disbursement Dates?
« on: July 25, 2007, 06:30:20 PM »
disbursment to the school does not always correlate to disbursment to the student.  Many schools hold the check until drop/add is over.


This is true.  Best thing you can do is to call your financial aid office and find out.  I know that checks at my school can be picked up during orientation.  But, perhaps at larger schools this is not so?

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At my school we don't even find out what section we're in until our orientation, thereby guaranteeing you have to buy your books on campus...

We don't either.  It's a bit on the frusterating side isn't it?  And it's a money making scheme.

Oh, and we were supposed to get our orientation stuff early to mid-July.  One wants to know, is the 24th mid-July?  ??? ::)

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General Board / Re: Loan Disbursement Dates?
« on: July 25, 2007, 11:50:53 AM »
Willamette hands out checks during orientation for 1L.  2L and 3L's can pick up the Friday before classes.

I actually received a letter from my lender telling me the exact date of disbursement to the school.

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