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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Cal Western
« on: December 06, 2009, 12:15:53 AM »
Ok, now I am NOT interested in your view of Cal Western's ranking.  From everything I have read/seen from actual students/faculty, the school is a great place to be.  I am interested in the school itself, ie the atmosphere, faculty, and actual preparation for becoming a lawyer. 

any input would be appreciated :)

This is just my anecdotal experience, so take it for what it's worth...

I clerked at a non-profit in San Diego last summer.  The clerks were pretty evenly split between Thomas Jefferson, Cal Western, and USD students.  The actual supervising attorneys at this organization were all Cal Western grads, and they were very loyal to and proud of their school.  I mean, they had nothing but great things to say about the campus, the administration, the professors, etc.  Of course, to be fair, these are the graduates who became working attorneys.  Thomas Jefferson students were hungry as hell and were the most obviously hard workers, the Cal Western students were great and the USD students were the best leaders.

Through my job, I ended up connecting with a lot of other attorneys in the SD area.  I met a surprising number of solo practitioners- and they were all from either Cal Western or Thomas Jefferson.  They were working attorneys though, with, for the most part, successful practices. 

In general, my impression of the lower ranked law schools has improved through my real life experiences.  I know the odds are still against you and I don't disagree with the advice that students at lower ranked schools ought to be fully prepared for what they are getting into.  But there are flesh and blood graduates of Tier 3/4 schools that are not the fist dragging mouth breathers you start to picture when you're in the middle of law school apps and all anyone can do is proclaim lower ranked schools to be bastions of idiocy.  The Thomas Jefferson kids I worked with were very bright.  I felt like a pretentious ass thinking to myself, 'I wonder what their LSAT scores really were, why didn't they score higher?!'

I'm not advising you what to do because only you know what's best for you.  Nor am I asserting any conclusions about what my personal experience means, just throwing my random observations out there.

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Thomas Jefferson isn't an online law school.  Unless its LLM program is online only or something?...

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General Board / Re: Super random question about lawsuits...
« on: November 29, 2009, 12:17:30 PM »
Thanks for the reply!  So do you already have to know about the existence of a pending lawsuit in order to obtain copies of the paperwork, or can you just go to the county clerk with an individual's name and they will dig up any pending lawsuits for you? 

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General Board / Re: Law school only for elites??
« on: November 29, 2009, 12:14:20 PM »
I really don't think that law school is only for the "elites". I mean there are over 200 law schools in the US and, arguably, only 14 "elite" ones. That obviously means the majority of law students in the US don't go to the elite law schools.

True.  But just because someone isn't necessarily an "elite" within the legal community, doesn't mean they aren't "elite" within the context of society at large.  What percentage of the general population are actually successful attorneys/professionals?  So it all depends on your perspective.

And I'm not even framing "elite" as a necessarily positive thing.  I go to a Tier 2 law school and went to a solid public undergrad.  Many people I meet every day are very impressed and to them, I'm "elite".  Whatever, who cares?  It's all just semantics anyway.

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General Board / Super random question about lawsuits...
« on: November 28, 2009, 06:25:58 PM »
When someone files suit against another, the suit is a matter of public record correct?  Like, if you knew that a friend was being sued, could you get a copy of the complaint, without being connected in any real way to the litigants involved?  I realize that of course, once a decision has been made that decision is (usually) a matter of public record.

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California Western / Re: Cal Western or Thomas J
« on: November 28, 2009, 06:22:19 PM »
No offense to anyone but USD is the best law school in SD and they place very well in SD from what I've heard. TJ and CW are comparatively weaker schools but they still do ok in SD region. Like some people previously pointed out, graduates from these schools will have to work harder to get jobs. I honestly don't understand why anyone would choose CW over USD though. That's kinda like choosing FIU over UMiami. (They are all expensive private school that are regional. Just choose school with the best reputation in the region).

I don't think the OP ever mentioned USD as an actual option.  But as long as we're giving totally random advice- OP you should definitely go to Harvard if you get in!  hth  :-*

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: What's a realistic target score?
« on: November 23, 2009, 07:27:45 PM »
Asking what your "target" score should be for the LSAT is kind of irrelevant, because all you can do is the best you can do.

Exactly what I was thinking.  What's the point of formulating a goal LSAT, and before you've even taken a practice?  I wouldn't advise anyone to start setting their sights on any specific school until they've at least taken a practice test. 

Everyone's "target" score is the highest that they can realistically do.  Even if you have a target school that isn't highly ranked, the higher the LSAT the better chance of free $$$. 

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer.  I guess it's fun to fantasize. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 168 with a 2.88 GPA?
« on: November 21, 2009, 07:21:10 PM »
I transferred in from a CC after one year, where I made a 3.6. I'm assuming that will factor in and help me out a little

Classes taken at a CC absolutely factor into your LSAC UGPA so that 3.6 will help you more than 'a little'.  Grades in CC classes count for just as much as classes taken at a four year university, as far as your LSAC UGPA goes.  If UT recognized a class and gave you transfer credit for it, it will very likely be calculated into your UGPA.

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3L job search / Re: Crisis of Faith: Why even pursue this path?
« on: November 09, 2009, 03:39:53 PM »
Well that was an entertaining rant OP, so thanks for that.  I totally relate to the snake oil salesman bit.  Some people just can't tolerate what they view as towing the company line, kissing ass or swallowing BS, which is, unfortunately, at least a small part of many many corporate type professional jobs.  And any job is going to have aspects you like less than others. 

There are MANY types of attorneys, I bet you could carve out a satisfying legal career if you wanted to.  You sound so disillusioned with it at this point though, you really might be one of those people (like the protagonist in Office Space) that just has zero tolerance for a corporate atmosphere and is better off going scorched earth and trying to open a bar/grill if you really want to and think you can do it. 

Just remember that there's no escaping assholes.  They're everywhere.

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My ex boyfriend was in the top of his class at a local T14 and really wanted to do government work, and got all kinds of *&^% from the regionally educated interviewing attorneys who didn't trust his motives.  I go to U San Diego and even I get *&^% from the Tier 4 grads doing the hiring at non-profits where I interview.  There's no easy, automatic answer or path in life, even in an industry as cookie-cutter as law.

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