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Current Law Students / Re: Are other 1Ls still waiting on grades?
« on: January 12, 2010, 01:58:14 PM »
I'm not a 1L, but yeah, it pretty much always takes this long.  Haven't gotten any of mine from last semester yet either.

Brigham Young / Re: Is BYU a Feeder School?
« on: January 04, 2010, 08:29:59 PM »
If you want to go to Provo for reasons in addition to law school admissions, and it wouldn't be too much wasted time and energy, then go for it.  But law schools mostly just care about GPA and LSAT when it comes to admissions.  I don't personally think it'd be worth the trouble to transfer if the only reason you'd be doing it is for law school admissions.  Soft factors can count for a lot, of course.  But of all the possible soft factors, I think that where you went to undergrad is pretty close to being the least important one.

That said, I don't know anything about BYU Law specifically and how much going there for undergrad, given the whole religious element, counts for anything.  If I were you I actually might just email the law school admissions office and ask them.  You'll probably get a canned answer, but you might get some meaningful advice and you don't really have anything to lose by asking.

Oh, and just as an aside, are you really pre-law?  Like officially?  

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:35:56 PM »

It's definitely not a security blanket thing for me. If you're saying they don't work for you, I can appreciate that, but I'm not really worried about being dependent on the bright yellow sponges. If they were effective for me(not sure if they would be) and if they were legal, I would certainly use them. I've worked in noisy environments and quiet ones, and there have been times when my productivity has been seriously impaired by noise level. In a work environment, you can always stay late to make up for lost productivity, but that is not the case with the LSAT. We all know that the stakes are very high. Two more correct answers can make the difference between accept and reject. I can accept that using earplugs is not an option, but let's not act as though it's ridiculous to inquire about them.

I didn't mean to imply that it was ridiculous for you to inquire about them.  You make some valid points, and if you really feel like they will help you on the LSAT then I agree that it's worth it to use them.  I guess for me it was more a pent up rant following a couple very long and intense weeks in the library surrounded by weirdos with fluorescent ears.  I just find them very uncomfortable and kind of silly.   :P

Law School Admissions / Re: Black Male URM- 3.4Ivy, 159LSAT
« on: December 30, 2009, 02:32:39 PM »
Black Male URM
3.45 GPA from Cornell
Master's degree at another Ivy
159 December LSAT (up from 154)
Applied to all T14s plus some T30s and I've been accepted to a T20 already.
Already took year off to do my masters so I won't take another year off.

Apps have been submitted and will be reviewed in the first week of January according to the admissions offices I've spoken to. Am I likely to get into a T14 like Cornell (my alma mater) or Georgetown? Any other T14s? Thanks all.

You have a very legit shot at a lot of good T14 schools. HYS is unlikely, but any below that may be in play. Best of luck!


I'd agree with this advice, particularly if you can play up your soft factors.  Have you considered Berkeley?  Good luck!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Ear plugs when taking the LSAT
« on: December 26, 2009, 06:12:29 PM »
I don't get the whole earplugs thing.  I tried them once, and all it did was amplify the sound of my heartbeat and breathing.  I honestly just think it's a security blanket type of thing.  You really want to be dependent on bright yellow sponges in your ears in order for you to concentrate?  I mean really- people in the library, people taking exams, and they supposedly can't focus unless their ears are plugged.  Don't you already have enough to worry about without having to need something like that?  What are you going to do, spend the rest of your life in your office always fussing about having earplugs on hand?  Just get used to some background noise.  It's not that difficult if you have normal concentration. 

Current Law Students / Re: leave of absence + loans
« on: December 24, 2009, 12:55:33 PM »
I just graduated from undergrad in May of 09 and enrolled in law school this August. Towards the end of the semester, I came to the realization that I really don't want to be in school right now. I really think I made a mistake in going straight to law school without getting any real world experience first. I looked around for jobs and found an amazing one really quickly, and have agreed to start there in January. I am definitely taking a year's leave of absence from my law school.

I have a few questions that no one seems to be able to clear up for me. Do I have to start paying back my loans immediately? There's pretty much no way that I can do this... my job, while amazing, is with the government and doesn't pay very much. I also can't find a subletter for my apartment at school (I'm relocating for work). So I have to pay for two apartments as well as my own living expenses.

My second question is, since I took out loans ostensibly for the entire year (although I don't receive the other half until right before next semester starts), am I entitled to take that loan money now and just have to pay them back later? It would make my life so much easier and I have no problem paying them back over a longer period of time. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.

I took the second semester of my first year off for personal reasons, then returned to school and am doing very well.  One important thing to know is that you have a grace period on your loans (for me it was 6 months from the time you either graduate or stop being a student for any reason, temporary or not).  This means you won't be required to make loan payments during this time.  HOWEVER- if you take a leave of absence and then come back, you have essentially eaten up your grace period.  So once you do finally graduate, your grace period will be either shortened or non-existent.  There's usually an option to request extensions on grace periods if you're experiencing hardships, but just be aware that you are usually eating into a grace period when you take a leave of absence.

As for your second question... the way my financial aid office explained it to me was, you basically have to earn a certain amount of the loan money to be entitled to it.  If you leave in the middle of a semester, you are entitled to keep the loan money for a portion of that semester.  You don't have next semester's money yet, the money that you were already approved for, so I'm not sure exactly how that would work.  But my guess is that if you haven't attended any classes yet, and won't be charged any tuition for next semester, then you are not entitled to student loan money for that semester.  

Of course, this is just my general advice given my personal experience.  Definitely work closely with your financial aid office and also directly with your lenders, in order to insure that you are never delinquent on loans.  

Good luck with this stuff though.  It can be really disheartening to leave and come back, and suffice to say, the odds are against you finishing school.  But if you really want it and stick to it, you will get it figured out.

Hi, I'm a Hispanic male who attends a top 5 University/College with a 3.3 GPA, and from what it looks like, I will be around the 163-167 LSAT range. I am first generation college (not sure whether that holds any significance when applying) and am also a varsity athlete at school. Do I have any shot at say UT Austin, UVA, or any other T14 law school? Thanks.

I'm not an under represented minority (URM), but from what I have seen on and anecdotally, I'd say you have a very solid shot at the T14 with a 3.3 and a 167.  Maybe even top 10.  URM status can be a huge admissions boost. 

Roger Williams / Re: Can I get into Roger Williams?
« on: December 13, 2009, 03:26:14 PM »
Hi!  :)

Roger Williams / Re: The WORST law shool for employment
« on: December 13, 2009, 03:25:33 PM »
Here is my review of this 4th tier toilet that I graduated from last May:

Before you select a law school think carefully about job prospects.

Why didn't you do that?  (asking seriously)

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Honorary Degree?
« on: December 05, 2009, 11:50:45 PM »

i figure its better than leaving the space empty right?

Even assuming that an honorary doctorate would be viewed as a similar achievement to an earned degree, isn't it 'better' in terms of applications when your parents aren't as educated?  I mean, I always assumed that ad coms saw it as a (minor) positive soft factor, and a mark of greater achievement for you personally, that you had made it to where you were despite your parents' lack of education.  I mean, wouldn't a student whose parents had only finished high school be more impressive than an identical applicant who has two parents with phd's? 

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