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Studying for the LSAT / Re: I'm not sure if I should take a class
« on: November 07, 2007, 10:51:26 AM »
I strongly advise everyone to avoid the classes.  Considering your score range and how little youve practiced I would tell you it will be a complete waste of your time and might even hurt your score, at least initially.

If you read some of my other posts you will see the many reasons why I feel that courses are a waste of time but the number one reason and the one that would overwhelmingly apply to someone scoring in the 170s is this...

You will waste a lot of your valuable study time sitting through instruction on the weaknesses of others in spite of them being your strengths.  A good tutor will focus on your weaknesses.

So if you feel like you need help get the books that are recommended by most of the elites here and if you dont stabilize your score in a place you are happy with then get a tutor.

good luck

« on: November 07, 2007, 10:46:53 AM »
I agree with erik completely.  I'm not one of the experts that anyone is seeking an explanation from but I'm sure I'm not the only potential poster that doesnt even bother reading the post if only the CR is given in the post.  If I'm not going to be challenged by these posts why should I even waste my time?

Also the CR is alot more obvious when its the only one you post and you jeopardize getting an honest and accurate answer to your question.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Cold Test Score and Potential to Increase
« on: November 07, 2007, 10:40:22 AM »
Regardless of your score I would steer you away from pre courses.  If you read my other posts you will see it is sort of my mission in life.  The money that is spent on a course, if spent on a good tutor, will get you a much bigger payoff.

My major problem with courses... you will waste a lot of your valuable study time sitting through instruction on the weaknesses of others in spite of them being your strengths.  A good tutor will focus on your weaknesses.

Then there are a few books here that are recommended.  You have so much time you should do the books and a couple practice tests and see where your score is after you apply everything you learn in the books.  If your not happy with it then go find a tutor. 

Good luck.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: TM methods?
« on: November 05, 2007, 09:57:13 AM »
Thanks.  Took the PS course.  Mostly was wondering if TM attacked the RC any differently.  Curious about the LG and LR too.

Whatever you do dont take a course.  If it wasted my time it will definitly waste yours.

Studying for the LSAT / TM methods?
« on: November 03, 2007, 11:18:12 AM »
Can anyone tell me if there is a way to learn a about the TM methods without taking a course?  Is there a book out there somewhere?  I dont believe TM is offered in my area so I dont think any of the tutors I'll find will be familiar with them.

I'd like to compare the TM techiniqes to the ones I'm using now and see which I like better.


Studying for the LSAT / Re: Question about PowerScore Weekend Course
« on: October 28, 2007, 09:26:04 PM »
I took PSs full length course and I'll tell you money will be better spent on the bibles and a tutor.  All they do is hold your hand as they walk you through the bibles... in a class the instructor must focus on everyones weaknesses and that can end up wasting alot of your time.  A tutor will focus on your weaknesses.

Try to find one that knows the PS techniques if thats what your looking for.

Might you also say, Hort Stu, that your recommendation could be better phrased as, taking as many practice tests AND PRACTICE SECTIONS as you can and then analyzing the hell out of them? Or would you prefer that only complete tests, and not discrete isolated sections, would work best?

Start with individual questions, then sections, then full exams.

I agree with both of you.  Go through as much real LSAT material as you can get your hands on and use this to determine your weaknesses.  Then get a tutor to help you improve on them if you need the help.

The issue with prep courses is whether they are worth the money. I can't imagine what value a prep course can bring over self study & a personal tutor. Self study to identify yur flaws and a tutor to address the ones you can't fix alone.

Well said...

Eh.  But don't make the arrogant assumption that you understand something fully - and test day, trust me, requires a full understanding of LSAT concepts - until you've heard it explained one-hundred times, and can teach it yourself.

I've never taken a course, but I'm sure that listening closely to the needs of others will teach you about yourself.

I assume, since you quoted me, that you think I was making this arrogant assumption.  In fact the reason I took the course was that I believed that listening to other peoples weaknesses and problems might help me. 

Now, in hindsight, I realized, and I'm pointing out to everyone that will listen, that when it comes to the LSAT NOTHING works like taking as many practice tests as you can and then analyzing the hell out of them, and then focusing on YOUR weaknesses.  If you need assistance with improving on your weaknesses or figuring out what they are then get a tutor.  Hands down the best way to spend your money other than on the books and materials you need.

  A course will have you wasting hours of your valuable study time that could be spent in a more effecient way.  I put in well over 100 hours preping for the september LSAT.  I know now that the time I spent driving to and from class and sitting through in depth explanations of my strengths not only was poorly spent but in some respects hurt my score.  I was doing much better in RC before I tried applying their techniques.  I'm still trying to unlearn them and get back to my diagnostic scores in RC.

If someone wants to throw money at a course that fine with me.  It wont change my life in anyway but I came here looking for this kind of advice before I took the course and couldnt find it.  The best I got was "avoid Kaplan," I apprecite that though Thank you. 

I'm trying to make sure that any one that comes here looking for the info I was looking for a few months ago finds it.  If they ignore it then I hope that works out best for them.

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