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Current Law Students / Re: My Advice to Incoming 1L's
« on: August 10, 2007, 12:50:59 PM »
"Law school is the route to moral greatness in any number of professions...."

Well, no, that's not true at all. Law school is the route to the legal profession and not much else. Moral greatness is achieved elsewhere, I'm afraid.

Current Law Students / Re: Definitions you wished you knew going into 1L
« on: August 08, 2007, 06:56:02 AM »

Job Search / Re: Probability of Interview leading to SA Position???
« on: August 07, 2007, 12:58:41 PM »
If you're looking for an average ratio, I would think that 1 out of 4 would be very good. Meaning, for every four interviews you receive one callback. BUT, I know people that had over 15 interviews and didn't receive one call back. I would think if you have around 15 interviews, you should be able to get at least 3-5 callbacks.

To reiterate previous posters: Do not do anything to prepare. Prep course are worthless. Ignore what other people are doing. Try to figure out, once you start school, what works best for you. Typically, people will brief cases for the first couple weeks/months and then quit. I stopped after a week or two--but some people continue to do it into 3L because it helps them in class and for outlining. I, however, am a believer that case briefs may be valuable at the beginning because they help you understand important information; i.e., if you spend to much time on them, you won't have enough time to do other subjects. But, after about a week or two, they became worthless to me.

Register with the computer network and get your ID beforehand. Same thing with your books, buy them BEFORE orientation. And for god sake make sure you check to see if your courses have assigned summer reading before you get there the first day, and set up and blackboard stuff you have to do for those.

Also, join a facebook group for your incoming class and section, and meet your section mates before class, so you get an idea of who has what personalities.

Finally, read my blog. See signature for details.

This is good advice, especially with regards to reading assignments. Specifically remember that I misread the reading assignments and read nothing for two of my classes on the first day. It made absolutely no difference in terms of grades, but it added stress that first day; stress is something no one needs more of.

Current Law Students / Re: NYC Biglaw Raises to $160k
« on: August 04, 2007, 06:42:04 PM »
I'd rather take $135K at Jones Day in Cleveland (if I had a prayer to get in).  I don't think that extra 20K covers the cost of living differences.  What do you all think?

Bonuses in NYC are much larger than in Cleveland. Also, I'm not convinced that this is *a lot* of money in comparison to what I-Bankers are doing, especially considering they are typically younger and have a smaller skill set.

Current Law Students / Re: 2L Haters:-)
« on: July 30, 2007, 03:14:03 PM »
For the benefit of a lively debate.....So, as an incoming 1L I have read and posted thoughts about prepping the summer before and getting study aides.  Being wise in the world of law school, here are my conclusions.  Obviously one can not get casebooks or supplemental casenotes to go along with the keyed casebook until one finds out what his or her specific professor wants.  This is a given.  I also agree that reading from commercial outlines may be counter productive before 1L starts. 

That being said, I have read certain chapters from my E&E's and also have used my laws in a flash cards.  Every time I mention this, some 2L goes on a rant as if I am trying to overthrow them in the race for the top of the class (as if 1L's and 2L's were in contest for some prize or job).  Now I am not doing a 1 year PLSII prep, but I am doing a 6 week or so brief over view.  Reading the basics and beginning chapters in the E&E's and also doing LEEWS.  Personally, I have found this very helpful and informative; not to mention feeling more self confident.  I have a good general idea of the basic concepts and terms covered in the books so far.  When law school starts, I feel my understanding will only enhance.  I also have been doing practive via LEEWS and find my writing becoming more organized every time. I feel that there is nothing wrong with relaxing, yet also prepping and preparing as 1L approaches.

2L's fireback when ready.....

All of this is a huge waste of time. You can't really prepare for the classes, so much as actually experience them. As for finding "this very helpful and informative," you really have no way to judge whether its "helpful and informative" because you have nothing to which you can compare your experience. So really, you are just being conned out of your money by greedy law professors.

Job Search / Clerkships
« on: July 29, 2007, 03:05:32 PM »
Anyone applying? Where? Stats? Interests?

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What to bring to orientation?
« on: August 20, 2007, 07:07:26 AM »
Wear what you would wear to school on a normal day. This may be sweatpants. Do not wear a tie.

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