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Law School Applications / Re: Is it going to effect my chances??
« on: November 02, 2008, 05:20:35 PM »
Thank you MahlerGrooves, finally a great answer without an insult or put down.

NP.  I know getting my apps in early was a huge consideration for me, and I cannot stress the overall importance of getting things in as soon as possible.  It can make or break you when you have borderline numbers.

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Law School Applications / Re: Is it going to effect my chances??
« on: November 02, 2008, 05:15:46 PM »
From what I have heard countless times, from AdComms and others, is that application time is crucial.   Earlier in the cycle, you are more likely to get in with middle to low numbers because the schools know that they can offset a few ow number yet interesting candidates with higher number candidates later on.  Also, early in the cycle, schools have less of an idea as to what their total applicant pool will look like, so they are more apt to take a chance on someone that they like but has slightly low numbers.

Late in the cycle, schools have most of their spots filled, and they are looking for the one or two standouts necessary to round out their classes and preserve their numbers.  They are less likely to take chances because they have a clearer picture of their applicant pool and are in a position of knowing what kind of numbers they need to admit in order to keep their averages where they would like them.  By all accounts, it becomes much more of a numbers game at this point.

That being said, if your GPA and LSAT are both above 75th percentile, you should see little difference.

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 02, 2008, 05:01:00 PM »
Quote

You and everyone in your class has NO excuse for unprepared socratic.  Your profs dont do real socratic, you know when you're on call :-P.  Trying being in my section where ALL of the profs do random socratic  >:(

elaborate??

p.s. the month wait til I hear about my early decision at Penn is killing me!

Mine... NO WARNING.  The end. 

And good luck with ED!!!  I'll be so excited once the Penn Law Class of 2012 starts up and I can pretend I'm not a 1L anymore  ;D

Last year, they didn't start calling ED people until after 1L exams were over.  This bodes well for us because we won't then be tempted to ignore studying to respond, enthusiastically, to our future classmates.


Damn. Based on LSN I was hoping I'd hear around Dec 11th-15th. I really hope they don't send the letters later than that since I go home after finals at that point... when are you guys done?

No need to wait for a letter.  They'll call you  ;D

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 02, 2008, 04:45:08 PM »
Quote

You and everyone in your class has NO excuse for unprepared socratic.  Your profs dont do real socratic, you know when you're on call :-P.  Trying being in my section where ALL of the profs do random socratic  >:(

elaborate??

p.s. the month wait til I hear about my early decision at Penn is killing me!

Mine... NO WARNING.  The end. 

And good luck with ED!!!  I'll be so excited once the Penn Law Class of 2012 starts up and I can pretend I'm not a 1L anymore  ;D

Last year, they didn't start calling ED people until after 1L exams were over.  This bodes well for us because we won't then be tempted to ignore studying to respond, enthusiastically, to our future classmates.

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 02, 2008, 04:13:40 PM »
Quote

You and everyone in your class has NO excuse for unprepared socratic.  Your profs dont do real socratic, you know when you're on call :-P.  Trying being in my section where ALL of the profs do random socratic  >:(

elaborate??

p.s. the month wait til I hear about my early decision at Penn is killing me!

I shall elaborate:

CivPro:  Prof has 1st half of the alphabet on call for 2 weeks, then last part of alphabet on call for 2 weeks, then repeat.

Contracts:  A-J on call Monday, L-O = Tues, P-Z = Wed

Torts:  Just goes in order

Property:  Each student signs up for 2 days during which they are on call

Yeah yeah...it's kinda like fake law school  ::)

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 01, 2008, 08:15:32 PM »
I have no clique.  I tend to hang out only with one or two people total, and then talk to everyone else equally.  I think Penn is an odd duck because they stress collegiality and friendship so much that it sort of enables self-selection for those only interested in that to come.  Then again, I do have only one or two friends  :)

I've always been curious...how does a school "stress" collegiality and friendship? 

I think they do it in a few ways, really:

1 - They talk it up a lot, giving the impression that it's the case (even if it isn't), thereby making it likely that people will only attend if they agree with the philosophy.

2 - The legal writing sections are groups of 14-16 people and they schedule events for each one of these groups (dinners with faculty, etc).

3 - There is a HUGE public outline bank and people share everything.

4 - No GPA ever and no class rank until graduation (honors calculations).

So far, it seems to work!

Do you find that there are still people who are crazy about their grades in the scary, Paper Chase kind of way? I mean, the no ranking was my main reason for Penn being #1 on my list, but I'm still a little worried about people going nuts over summer jobs (especially in this economy).

I mean, the economy sucks for everyone, so I think it may make things a bit more competitive, but nobody is that nuts.  We ALL share notes, briefs, outlines, and anything else.  We rescue each other using g-chat for those unprepared socratic moments.

It's not like paper chase.  Except for the day when you get to watch the first scene in class (Hawkins v. McGee day!).

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:38:48 PM »
I have no clique.  I tend to hang out only with one or two people total, and then talk to everyone else equally.  I think Penn is an odd duck because they stress collegiality and friendship so much that it sort of enables self-selection for those only interested in that to come.  Then again, I do have only one or two friends  :)

I've always been curious...how does a school "stress" collegiality and friendship? 

I think they do it in a few ways, really:

1 - They talk it up a lot, giving the impression that it's the case (even if it isn't), thereby making it likely that people will only attend if they agree with the philosophy.

2 - The legal writing sections are groups of 14-16 people and they schedule events for each one of these groups (dinners with faculty, etc).

3 - There is a HUGE public outline bank and people share everything.

4 - No GPA ever and no class rank until graduation (honors calculations).

So far, it seems to work!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: 162/3.74- Top University, Chacnes?
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:33:33 PM »
Please do not come to anything within the T5-T10.  Your "logic" is far beyond my understanding and likely my fellow students -- you would do much better somewhere else.

Also, please scan aforementioned Yale acceptance letter and post here upon receipt.  I eagerly await reading it.  Until then, you have no credibility.

Second this  8)

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General Board / Re: Why is Law School so Cliqueish?
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:29:42 PM »
I have no clique.  I tend to hang out only with one or two people total, and then talk to everyone else equally.  I think Penn is an odd duck because they stress collegiality and friendship so much that it sort of enables self-selection for those only interested in that to come.  Then again, I do have only one or two friends  :)

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Law School Applications / Re: Accepted 08/09
« on: November 01, 2008, 07:26:37 PM »
Congrats to everyone who is hearing positive news!  That first acceptance really does take a load off your shoulders!

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