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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: September 19, 2008, 09:50:21 PM »
As the only true conservative on this board I feel I must say what canít not be said by our partyís leadership: This whole McCain/Palin thing is yet another example of how McCain is not a true conservative. For Christís sakes he nominated a woman for VP. A WOMAN. WTF? Where are the religious right, the base of the party, this is a sin in the eyes of god a woman place is in home caring for the children. Its this kind of mindset and liberal thinking that has ruined the party for me. Now that Strom Thurman is dead, I guess Iíll just have to write in Pat Buchanís name when I vote.  That or Iíll switch back my affiliation to Tory.


While some may see that McCain's choice of Palin is an abomination, it was a masterstroke designed to counter the effect of the true minion of evil, Hillary Clinton. May the world come to an end before that ilk sets foot in the White House again.

And Piggy, command experience is command experience.  While it may not be general officer experience, I will still take it as superior to Obama's demonstrated lack of fitness for the position.

this is weird to me. everyone claims that the media is being sexist in its coverage of palin, but where were all these people when hillary's hair, suits, and tone of voice were fair game to all pundits, conservative or liberal? i was a hillary fan who switched to obama, but after palin got picked in what stephen colbert called a "historic pandering", there is no way i'm trusting mccain's judgment.

We were there, upset but silent.  The democrats didn't exactly rally around that fight.  Makes you wonder which party is more sexist, doesn't it?  It should.  Besides, most of the conservative pundits were talking about bad Hillary policies and history, not what she wore.  Most of the sexism came from the left leaning media.

What I don't get (still) is why the democrats care.  If Palin was such a bad choice, you'd think that the dems poll numbers would be way up and the left would be celebrating McCain's stupidity.  It turns out, the left can't stop talking, thinking, and attacking Palin.  For close to two weeks (or was it three), all the left could do was compare Palin to Obama.  Frankly, Obama's relevant experience is minor compared to Palin's, and Palin is the VP candidate.  At least Palin ran something.  What did Obama run?  And don't say his campaign, because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  That means McCain is FAR more experienced than Obama because he's run for President more than once.  It's stupid.  Obama never had to make executive decisions.  He's voted with the party virtually every time he actually chose to vote.  And some of those votes are flat wrong to begin with.  Did you know Obama voted against a bill that would require doctors in Illinois to provide care for babies born alive after botched abortions?  It's true.  Nice decision.  The Obama camp says it's an 'out of context' vote.  Please tell me the context such a vote is acceptable.  Here's the context:  An abortion is attempted.  It fails.  The baby is born alive.  Obama refused to vote to for legislation that would require a doctor to provide care for the very much alive baby.  So a doctor can just let it die slowly, painfully, and horribly in Illinois, if Obama has his way.  A good issue vote for him, don't you think?  

Let's assume he had a problem with some other aspect of the bill - did he introduce another bill that made sure that a botched abortion baby received medical care?  Nope.  He did nothing.

Now I'm no single issue guy, but I will say that like McCain's military experience, it speaks to his character.  The question is - what does it say?

ok, seriously, if we're taking votes out of context like that, we could point to sarah palin inquiring about the process to ban library books OR voting against someone who wanted the city to absorb the cost of rape kits. these are all scare tactics. just as i don't agree with your perception of obama's born alive vote, i also don't buy it when the news media claims that sarah palin voted to make victims pay for their own rape kits. there may be some small nugget of truth in both cases, but they're both blown out of proportion and taken out of context.

i'm not the biggest obama fan ever. i agree with saxby that he will disappoint people who are convinced he's going to create "real change" in washington. i actually really liked and respected mccain in his 2000 campaign because he WAS a maverick. but the john mccain running this campaign has gone so far right that there's no way i can see him as anything else but another bush.

and by the way, i'm hopeful that conservatives will be able to maybe understand why hillary kept talking about media sexism after, and to a lesser extent, during her campaign. i don't condone sexism in any form, whether against hillary or palin. i do have a problem with mccain and palins' issue positions (abortion, drilling in ANWR, teaching creationism, denying global warming is at least exacerbated by humans, and approaches to foreign policy) so i support obama. i do appreciate that you recognize and hopefully take a stand against media sexism toward any female candidate, regardless of their partisan identification; i attempt to do the same for palin.

I'm not going to argue over Obama's voting record.  If you are really interested, here's an article about that vote:

http://www.nysun.com/national/clinton-obama-should-vote-no-on-abortion-issue/69700/

It turns out, Palin didn't ban a single book.  That charge was ridiculous too.  I'm glad you saw that.  Sarah Palin didn't vote to make rape victims pay for their own rape kits either, and to date not one single Alaskan has.  Another empty scandal.

As far as the sexism in this campaign cycle, I have always found it irritating.  Now that it is so blatant in the media's coverage of Palin, it is infuriating.  I know too many smart women to accept this notion that we should be teaching them that they can sort of do anything a man can.  My girlfriend may one day become a CEO.  I would absolutely be disgusted if someone superimposed her face on a naked porn stars body as a 'joke'.  I have always believed that women can do anything a man can do.  Some things, they do better.  When Obama ignored Hillary, refused to even consult her on the VP choice, didn't bother to vet her, then selected Joe Biden (there is no evidence he even considered a female), I was astonished.  When McCain chose Palin, I was proud that a woman has an opportunity to serve as VP.  You want a historic election?  We're getting one, no matter who wins.

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Oh, he was kidding?  Oh, then that's okay.  Next tell me a joke about how my grandmother was raped by nazi's while fleeing the holocaust.  That'd be funny too, wouldn't it....



If she was raped by Nazis, under your logic, its because she didn't work hard enough to get away. Correct? Not attacking your grandmother, so don't throw a hissy fit. But raped women are only raped because they don't try hard enough to not be raped, under your logic.

Interesting logical fallacy you present there....
Moron.
Your logical riddle is a joke on itself.  There are many reasons women are raped, chief among them is that they are either overpowered or otherwise incapacitated.  Your fallacy displays your intellect, me thinks.  By YOUR logic, women get raped because of BAD LUCK.

Classic.


LOL. LOL. Can you please understand the question. I'm not asking why guys rape women. My question, simplified for you, is: Why does one woman get raped and the other does not?

So what is the reaon that woman A, a typical average person in the United States per say, gets raped, and woman B, an equal average American, of equal looks, equal strength, and equal money, does not?



It must be dumb luck.  If we eliminate the predatory nature of rape, let's also be sure to note that in no way do I place the blame on women who are raped.  It couldn't have anything to do with the decision each woman makes or the environment they are in.  It's because some women are just lucky.  It has nothing to do with the company the women keep, the activities they engage in, the places they go, or the people around them.  It is pure luck that most women never get raped.  Great argument.  Do you KNOW any women?  I do.  Lots of them.  Some make sure that every time they are out late, they stay in groups and are careful about their own safety.  Statistically speaking, a woman who walks home late at night while highly intoxicated alone has a higher risk for rape.  It's not because they aren't 'lucky'.

Dumbest attempted theory proof ever.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: September 19, 2008, 09:21:54 PM »
As the only true conservative on this board I feel I must say what canít not be said by our partyís leadership: This whole McCain/Palin thing is yet another example of how McCain is not a true conservative. For Christís sakes he nominated a woman for VP. A WOMAN. WTF? Where are the religious right, the base of the party, this is a sin in the eyes of god a woman place is in home caring for the children. Its this kind of mindset and liberal thinking that has ruined the party for me. Now that Strom Thurman is dead, I guess Iíll just have to write in Pat Buchanís name when I vote.  That or Iíll switch back my affiliation to Tory.


While some may see that McCain's choice of Palin is an abomination, it was a masterstroke designed to counter the effect of the true minion of evil, Hillary Clinton. May the world come to an end before that ilk sets foot in the White House again.

And Piggy, command experience is command experience.  While it may not be general officer experience, I will still take it as superior to Obama's demonstrated lack of fitness for the position.

this is weird to me. everyone claims that the media is being sexist in its coverage of palin, but where were all these people when hillary's hair, suits, and tone of voice were fair game to all pundits, conservative or liberal? i was a hillary fan who switched to obama, but after palin got picked in what stephen colbert called a "historic pandering", there is no way i'm trusting mccain's judgment.

We were there, upset but silent.  The democrats didn't exactly rally around that fight.  Makes you wonder which party is more sexist, doesn't it?  It should.  Besides, most of the conservative pundits were talking about bad Hillary policies and history, not what she wore.  Most of the sexism came from the left leaning media.

What I don't get (still) is why the democrats care.  If Palin was such a bad choice, you'd think that the dems poll numbers would be way up and the left would be celebrating McCain's stupidity.  It turns out, the left can't stop talking, thinking, and attacking Palin.  For close to two weeks (or was it three), all the left could do was compare Palin to Obama.  Frankly, Obama's relevant experience is minor compared to Palin's, and Palin is the VP candidate.  At least Palin ran something.  What did Obama run?  And don't say his campaign, because that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.  That means McCain is FAR more experienced than Obama because he's run for President more than once.  It's stupid.  Obama never had to make executive decisions.  He's voted with the party virtually every time he actually chose to vote.  And some of those votes are flat wrong to begin with.  Did you know Obama voted against a bill that would require doctors in Illinois to provide care for babies born alive after botched abortions?  It's true.  Nice decision.  The Obama camp says it's an 'out of context' vote.  Please tell me the context such a vote is acceptable.  Here's the context:  An abortion is attempted.  It fails.  The baby is born alive.  Obama refused to vote to for legislation that would require a doctor to provide care for the very much alive baby.  So a doctor can just let it die slowly, painfully, and horribly in Illinois, if Obama has his way.  A good issue vote for him, don't you think?  

Let's assume he had a problem with some other aspect of the bill - did he introduce another bill that made sure that a botched abortion baby received medical care?  Nope.  He did nothing.

Now I'm no single issue guy, but I will say that like McCain's military experience, it speaks to his character.  The question is - what does it say?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« on: September 19, 2008, 09:11:18 PM »
John McCain wasn't your average POW.  He flew 22 successful bombing missions and on his 23rd was shot down and badly injured.  He was imprisoned and tortured.  When the cong found out that his father was an Admiral, they tried to make a propaganda gesture and release him.  He refused because soldiers follow the rule of first in first out.  That was 1968.  He didn't get home until 1973.  As a reward for this act of compassion and courage, the cong stepped up the torture.  McCain could have struck a deal, but didn't.  That's a sign of character.

When he got back, he could have retired and found a new life in the private sector.  Instead, he dedicated his life to his country and studied at the National War College, earning the honor to command a large, US based training squadron.  When the opportunity came to step up and become the Navy's liaison to the Senate, he proudly served.  He retired in 1981 as a Captain in the US Navy.

The Navy Captain is an executive position.  Decision making skills are essential.

So if you want to talk about McCain's experience in the navy, let's not forget that he wasn't JUST a POW.  He was a dedicated member of our military service who suffered in defense of this nation.  He was a commander and retired a Captain.  Don't minimize his military experience by summing it up as being a POW.  He was a heroic POW who suffered at the hands of our enemies, then instead of taking it easy and heading to the private sector, chose to continue to defend our nation through military service.  He didn't take it easy then either and fought his way into a command position.

Obama's record simply doesn't compare to McCain's record in terms of dedication and service.  To argue otherwise is ridiculous.  If all you get from the McCain campaign is another 4 years of Bush, you are either not paying attention or relying on left wing media outlets, hell bent and fully invested in coronating Barack Obama as the President of the world.  Turn of NBC, MSNBC and CNN, stop frequenting the dailykos and the huffpuff blog and try looking for yourself.

McCain's campaign is about reforming Washington, working to solve America's problems, minimizing partisanship, and steering our country back on track.  Don't allow you disdain for Bush to seduce you into thinking that all republican's are like Bush.  Many Republicans dislike bush because of how far of a deviation from conservative principles his ideology is.  Obama, like it or not, has run his campaign in typical dirty chicago political machine style.  I know.  I live in Chicago and have seen it for years.  He says he's about issues, but spent the bulk of his campaign making the campaign about empty ideas like 'hope' and 'change' while billing himself as a rockstar.  All of a sudden, he wants to be about issues, yet every Obama ad talks more about how baaad McCain is while throwing in buzzwords and the most topical of issue statements.  I'm not buying it.  Show me an Obama ad where he doesn't mention McCain or Bush and instead talks about his own policies, because I haven't seen one yet. Does he have any?  In typical Chicago style, he spends the bulk of his time talking about how bad the other guy is.  At some point, you have to look at the kool aid that's been put in your cup and decide if it's been made properly.

A lot can be said about Obama, but it simply doesn't ring true to say that his experience has greater depth or meaning than McCain's.



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Oh, he was kidding?  Oh, then that's okay.  Next tell me a joke about how my grandmother was raped by nazi's while fleeing the holocaust.  That'd be funny too, wouldn't it....



If she was raped by Nazis, under your logic, its because she didn't work hard enough to get away. Correct? Not attacking your grandmother, so don't throw a hissy fit. But raped women are only raped because they don't try hard enough to not be raped, under your logic.

Interesting logical fallacy you present there....
Moron.
Your logical riddle is a joke on itself.  There are many reasons women are raped, chief among them is that they are either overpowered or otherwise incapacitated.  Your fallacy displays your intellect, me thinks.  By YOUR logic, women get raped because of BAD LUCK.

Classic.

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Go ahead. Make all the jokes you want about my mom. She's open for business (there's a free one for you). You know what? None of what you say is true, so why should it affect me?

Good.  Then we agree.  You're an a-hole.  Congratulations, you don't even have respect for your mother.

If you believe that respect is earned, you've failed to earn even a little bit.

No, I have more respect for her than to accept as true something that is totally baseless, and react with violence.

Just not enough respect for her to not imply she's a whore.  Very intelligent argument.  By the way, explain how I reacted with violence....

Weak.

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For jeffislouie to be conceived, did his mom get lucky or did she get worked?

Hey IrrX,

Die in a fire.  People like you are revolting as humans and don't deserve even basic human respect.
Instead of discussing the issues, folks like you find humor and joy in tearing into people's parents.  Seriously, I wish horrible, unspeakable things upon you.  No joke.  IRL, I'd have beaten you to death and gone to jail okay with it all.
I wonder if your parents would be proud of what you just said?  Perhaps they'd mourn your death until someone informed them what a scumbag they ended up raising.

Way to show just how classy you are.

Don't talk about my mother.  Ever.  You can disrespect me all you want (you are good at it), but even dirtbags like you should have lines they wont cross.......

Alright! Consider that button pushed! And, nice internet tough guy. But I've seen better. Work on it.

IRL, I'd have beaten you to death and gone to jail okay with it all.

Ummmm...... Anger management issues much?

Yes.  I would say that someone speaking about my mother in an insanely disrespectful way is one method of making me uncontrollably angry.  Maybe you don't mind people asking if your mother got 'lucky' or 'worked' while conceiving you, but I actually love my mother.  I also respect her.  And any a-hole who wants to treat her otherwise should expect a violent, angry response.  You know damn well that if anyone said that to you in the real world, you'd blow up too.

I find it ridiculous that you would criticize my anger management without noting the rude, disgusting, and disrespectful comment.  It is interesting that you don't object to that, just my reaction to it.  Go ask your mom if she got 'lucky' or 'worked' while conceiving you and make sure to take a picture of the slap mark on your face.


Actually, my mother would be greatly disappointed if I let something so piddling bring me to bring violence against another person, let alone revel in it. So, whose parent did the better job?

Like I said before, I hope bad things happen to you.  Karma has a way of getting back at people like you.

So waitÖ karma exists, but luck does not? 

Karma: a belief system that is similar to the saying "what goes around, comes around".

Yes.  Karma exists.  Luck is still horseshit.  If you don't think your actions influence what happens to you, get back to me just before you die.

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Go ahead. Make all the jokes you want about my mom. She's open for business (there's a free one for you). You know what? None of what you say is true, so why should it affect me?

Good.  Then we agree.  You're an a-hole.  Congratulations, you don't even have respect for your mother.

If you believe that respect is earned, you've failed to earn even a little bit.

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For jeffislouie to be conceived, did his mom get lucky or did she get worked?

Hey IrrX,

Die in a fire.  People like you are revolting as humans and don't deserve even basic human respect.
Instead of discussing the issues, folks like you find humor and joy in tearing into people's parents.  Seriously, I wish horrible, unspeakable things upon you.  No joke.  IRL, I'd have beaten you to death and gone to jail okay with it all.
I wonder if your parents would be proud of what you just said?  Perhaps they'd mourn your death until someone informed them what a scumbag they ended up raising.

Way to show just how classy you are.

Don't talk about my mother.  Ever.  You can disrespect me all you want (you are good at it), but even dirtbags like you should have lines they wont cross.......

Alright! Consider that button pushed! And, nice internet tough guy. But I've seen better. Work on it.

IRL, I'd have beaten you to death and gone to jail okay with it all.

Ummmm...... Anger management issues much?

Yes.  I would say that someone speaking about my mother in an insanely disrespectful way is one method of making me uncontrollably angry.  Maybe you don't mind people asking if your mother got 'lucky' or 'worked' while conceiving you, but I actually love my mother.  I also respect her.  And any a-hole who wants to treat her otherwise should expect a violent, angry response.  You know damn well that if anyone said that to you in the real world, you'd blow up too.

I find it ridiculous that you would criticize my anger management without noting the rude, disgusting, and disrespectful comment.  It is interesting that you don't object to that, just my reaction to it.  Go ask your mom if she got 'lucky' or 'worked' while conceiving you and make sure to take a picture of the slap mark on your face.


Actually, my mother would be greatly disappointed if I let something so piddling bring me to bring violence against another person, let alone revel in it. So, whose parent did the better job?

Mine.  She taught me to respect women, and mothers.  That's why I haven't stooped to insulting your mother.  She isn't the target.  You are.  Did I commit an act of violence?  Mine would be proud that I would have the guts to stand up to an internet bully with no respect for other people.

Like I said before, I hope bad things happen to you.  Karma has a way of getting back at people like you.

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You know damn well that if anyone said that to you in the real world, you'd blow up too.

No, I wouldn't.


I find it ridiculous that you would criticize my anger management without noting the rude, disgusting, and disrespectful comment.  It is interesting that you don't object to that, just my reaction to it.  Go ask your mom if she got 'lucky' or 'worked' while conceiving you and make sure to take a picture of the slap mark on your face.

irrx's comment was clearly in jest.  Note the word play and the connection to the last couple pages of this thread.  It was not in good taste, no argument about that.

Your response, on the other hand, over the top.  It's even more troubling that irrx's (admittedly) tasteless comment in that you are absolutely dead serious.

Honestly, I advise you to seek counseling.

Oh, he was kidding?  Oh, then that's okay.  Next tell me a joke about how my grandmother was raped by nazi's while fleeing the holocaust.  That'd be funny too, wouldn't it....

Let me be clear.  It.  Isn't.  Funny.

Period.  This isn't a comedy club.  I am not here to laugh about how my mom was 'worked'.  I don't think it is funny or appropriate to make fun of my mother when the discussion is about luck vs. hard work.  It isn't.  Tell you what, let's make jokes about your mother instead.  Sound good?

And you can take your counseling and shove it.  The fact is that you clearly don't have strong feelings about your mother or you are lying when you say that such a comment wouldn't elicit a response.

And I wasn't 'joking', but that doesn't mean I'd ACTUALLY kill that moron.  I might physically harm them, but murder is perhaps a little strong.

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